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Haste misplaced as 'Noles face delicate Bowden debate

Bobby Bowden will reach his 80th birthday on Nov. 8. And if he's concerned that he won't be Florida State's head football coach when he turns 81, it didn't show when we talked on Monday.

In fact, if you're thinking that Florida State's current struggles (2-4) combined with Bowden's age are an obvious recipe for retirement, you might be surprised with what Division I-A football's No. 2 all-time winner (with 384 victories) has to say.

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Bowden believes, quite simply, that retirement will be on his timetable. There is a plan in place. He's working on a one-year contract; at the end of the year, Bowden will make a decision and inform President T.K. Wetherell and athletic director Randy Spetman. If Bowden decides to retire, offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher will be elevated to head coach. If not, Bowden will return for his 35th season as head coach with a team, he strongly believes, will be good enough to compete for an ACC championship. If Fisher is not the head coach in January 2011, he gets $5 million.

"Right now I think you know where I'm leaning," Bowden said. "I'm leaning toward coming back [next season]."

That's the plan.

Bowden understands the plan is not popular right now with elements of his fan base. Those fans believe that Bowden, for all of his great accomplishments, is simply not the coach he once was. Therefore, if he won't go voluntarily, he should be removed as the head of the program he built into a national powerhouse.

They point out that Florida State has not been in the national championship discussion since 2000, when the Seminoles lost to Oklahoma in the BCS championship game. They point to the fact that Bowden was allowed to put his son Jeff in charge of the offense when Mark Richt left to become head coach at Georgia in 2001. There is a faction of the Florida State fan base that believes the program has never recovered.

Those same fans look at the NFL Draft and see Florida State's name rarely comes up on the first day anymore. That is evidence enough that recruiting has slipped.

Those same fans also know this: A few hours away from Tallahassee, Urban Meyer's Florida Gators have won two of the last three national championships and are poised to win a third. Down in Miami, Randy Shannon seems to have the Hurricanes back on track after several years in the wilderness. South Florida beat Florida State in Tallahassee and these fans want to know: Are we now fourth in the state?

"I've been through this before," Bowden said from his office in Tallahassee, less than 48 hours after his 34th Florida State team lost to Georgia Tech (49-44) to drop to 0-3 in the ACC. "When you get to be 65 they start talking about your age. If your team plays well you are veteran coach who's pretty smart. If you team doesn't play well you're too old and you're not very smart. At some point you become immune to it."

But in reality, Bobby Bowden really hasn't been in this position before. When they hung him in effigy at West Virginia in 1974, Bowden was 46 and was just getting started on his Hall of Fame career

Second of all, Florida State has never been 0-3 in the ACC since joining the league in 1992.

And when Bowden struggled early in his career, he had not put together one of the best runs in the history of college football. From 1987 to 2000, Florida State had 14 consecutive seasons of top five finishes in the AP poll. In that respect, Bobby Bowden's toughest opponent these days is his own legacy.

"I don't think that will ever be done again," said Richt, now in his ninth season as Georgia's head coach.

There are other reasons that these are uncharted waters for Bowden. Jim Smith, a member of the Florida State Board of Trustees, made headlines twice last week. First he said "enough is enough" and suggested strongly that Bowden announce he would be retiring at the end of the year. Then Smith, obviously not content, compared the possibility of forcing Bowden out to "putting down your old dog. You know it's the right thing to do but you sure feel bad about it."

Wetherell, who played for Bowden and will himself retire this summer, released a statement reminding everyone that a succession plan for Bowden remains in place.

'We're going to fix this. I can see it,' Bobby Bowden says of the Seminoles' slumping program. (Getty Images)  
'We're going to fix this. I can see it,' Bobby Bowden says of the Seminoles' slumping program. (Getty Images)  
While his critics see a program out of control and hopelessly in decline, Bowden sees something else. He sees a program that is on the verge of breaking out. He saw a dropped pass in the end zone on the last play of a 38-34 loss to Miami. After the team squeaked by Jacksonville State 19-9, Florida State went to Provo, Utah, and absolutely destroyed BYU 54-28 when the Cougars were ranked No. 7. There were critical turnovers in the stunning loss to USF (17-7). The losses at Boston College (28-21) and Georgia Tech (49-44) were one-possession games.

"It's not like we're getting trounced," Bowden said. "It has come down to if they score they win, if we stop them we win. Against Georgia Tech we had a chance to go up two scores and we missed it. That wishbone [Georgia Tech runs the option] doesn't like to be down two scores. But we didn't do it."

There have been wide-spread rumors of dissention on the staff, specifically between Fisher, the offensive coordinator and head-coach-in-waiting, and Chuck Amato, who holds the title of executive head coach and is a longtime Bowden loyalist. Both men have publicly denied the conflict, as does Bowden.

Bowden does agree with one argument made by his critics: While he deserves credit and deference for building the Florida State program, if there are cracks in the foundation he should not be allowed to stay on if he can't stop it from eventually crumbling.

"If I thought I was hurting Florida State and that I couldn't do it any more, I would walk away," Bowden said. "But that's not what I see right now."

But this much is clear: Florida State is a football program that is trying to delicately straddle an ever-growing fence between its past and its future. On one side are Bowden and the strong belief that he has earned the opportunity to write the final chapter of his legendary career.

On the other side is the equally strong belief that the time has come to turn the page. Bowden has given much to Florida State, critics admit. But at the same time, Florida State has also given much to Bowden. It is time for both sides to recognize this and figure out a way to keep this from ending badly.

But it ended badly for Alabama's Bear Bryant, Bowden's hero. Bryant was in failing health when he decided to retire in December 1982. Just 43 days later he was dead.

It ended badly for Grambling's Eddie Robinson. There has never been a more revered figure in the game than Robinson. But at the end even his own players, who loved him, had to tell Coach Rob that it was time to go.

After 384 career victories, 311 of them coming at Florida State, Bobby Bowden cannot and should not be shoved out the door. That would be unconscionable. Winning is important but it's not that damned important.

But as soon as this season is over, a huge dose of clarity needs to be injected into the Florida State football program. A news conference should be called to announce one of two things: 1) Bobby Bowden is retiring, or 2) Bowden is coming back for his farewell season, after which Fisher will take over.

Bowden believes strongly that he can turn this thing around. He has to look no further than to the man who sits just above him on the all-time wins list.

"Look at what they tried to do to Joe [Paterno]," Bowden said of the Penn State head coach. "They tried to run him out of town because they said he was too old. He told them to be patient and he could fix it. And he did. That's the way I feel. We're going to fix this. I can see it."

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October 20, 2009 3:20 pm
I am following this because of my love for Joe Pa andhis similar problems.  Lets face it Noles fans, Bowden is a proven respected leader with experience and wisdom.  Who else could you find with as much success, Jimbo Fisher is untested and an unknown.  College football is largely about recruiting and right now the FSU coaching controversy is fueling the arguments of guys like Meyer ...(more)
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October 14, 2009 10:05 pm
If you sit and talk to the "veterans" from FSU.  You hear a grip or two but the vast majority of old timers for Florida State respect Bowden enough to give him his next few years and then let him leave on his own terms.  The young guys (I don't mean the students) but the younger boosters want a change.  Do you really think that FSU does a 180 degree turn in two years without Bowden ...(more)
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October 14, 2009 7:24 am
Don't force Bobby out when the greatest coach in college football may become available after Tennessee is done with him in a year or two. 

Just look what he's done for the Volunteers in such a short amount of time, top recuiting class, best coaching staff in America and people are now talking and writing about Tennessee again.  He put them back on the front page!!!!!!!!
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October 13, 2009 5:21 pm
Miami, South Florida, Georgia Tech, and Boston College are all pretty good teams (three are ranked) and all the games with FSU were close. If FSU wins two of those and sits at 4-2 (and probably ranked) right now, is anybody saying "the game has passed Bobby Bowden by"? Of course not. It's amazing how quickly some people will throw a 30-year legend under the bus over one month's result ...(more)
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October 14, 2009 2:06 am
At this point in time I'm on the fence about Bobby coming back or not. I LOVE FSU point blank! And I admire Bobby B more than any head coach in football. But I also think everyone has to call it sometime.

One of the biggest problems is recruiting. We are losing the recruiting battle BIG TIME! Miami, S Florida, And the Gators are getting a lot of the home grown Florida talent that FSU
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October 14, 2009 11:41 am
I'm tired of all the Tebow talk. Tebow this and Tebow that... Tebow... Tebow... and now it's Bobby Bowden this and Bobby Bowden that... Bobby... Bobby...

I think everyone should leave Bobby Bowden alone. The guy built Florida State into what it is now. Now you have spoiled fans and rich boosters. Bobby Bowden built Florida State and deserves to stay as long as he wants. If everyone wo
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October 13, 2009 3:55 pm
I hate Florida State. I am a Gator but I have tremedous respect for Bobby Bowden and the Seminoles. I am almost positive he will leave after next year. Many reasons tell you why. First, Fisher is in line for the job and will receive 5 million dollars if he is not the headcoach by 2011. Bobby understand this and I believe he just wants to fulfill his contract and give himself one more chance to win ...(more)
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October 14, 2009 7:03 am
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There are several scenerios here. Here is what I have to say though. Everyone wants to choose sides and people keep asking all these questions on what to do. There several things I would like to point out. Our defense is sucking this year Amota and Andrews are to blame they are not getting it done. Our offense has been keeping it close only thru the play of ponder however. Which begs the questi ...(more)

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October 13, 2009 3:58 pm
...I have to say that if Bobby Bowden seriously is considering coming back next year, then he is not only old but most likely senile.  He is way over the hill, his staff is incompetent, and if he comes back FSU will be worse not better than this year.

I will take some heat for this comment, but I think that boosters should hold back money next year if Bowden returns.  Or,
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October 14, 2009 11:38 am
I'm tired of all the Tebow talk. Tebow this and Tebow that... Tebow... Tebow... and now it's Bobby Bowden this and Bobby Bowden that... Bobby... Bobby...

I think everyone should leave Bobby Bowden alone. The guy built Florida State into what it is now. Now you have spoiled fans and rich boosters. Bobby Bowden built Florida State and deserves to stay as long as he wants. If everyone wo
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October 13, 2009 8:33 pm
The problem with the FSU program is Urban Meyers and his Florida Gators, anyone who know Florida College football history,it runs in cycles. The U was a machine in the 80's, FSU had it's run in the 90's, and the Gators are running things now. The talent is staying in Florida but the kids want to play for the best team in Florida.

Maybe the coach has run his course, but let the man make
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October 13, 2009 8:15 pm
As a former FSU season ticket holder, I think the beginning of the end for Bobby was when he hired his son Jeff as the offensive coordinator.  There was no creative offensive plays.  It was like FSU thought they had the best athletes and they could beat other teams on athleticism alone.  It didn't work and they have looked horrible over the past few years.  I predict 4 wins thi ...(more)
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October 13, 2009 9:57 pm
First let me say that I am an Orange an Blue bleeding Gator fan, now let me say that if there has ever been a coach that has been prepared for my Gators, it's Bowden...yes thankfully we've gotten the best of the Seminoles the past few years but dont ever think that Gator fans take the November game as a lite one. Bowden has done so, so much for the FSU program and I personally think that the only ...(more)
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October 14, 2009 5:46 pm
 Reminds me of all those years when Ray Goff was at Georgia. The last thing we wanted was for him to be replaced.

Here's hoping Bobby hangs around for quite a while!
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October 14, 2009 10:06 am
When i was at the UF-FSU beat down last year i noticed that they still have Bobby Bowden Field up.  Everyone knows it's Doak Campbell Stadium at Ron Zook Field.  Trust me, i was there for the inaguration game.  We won 20-13.  It was awesome.
 
 
 
 
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