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Without tradition, it's title-talk attrition -- and Cincy deserves better

Brian Kelly says it was Kirk Herbstreit who asked the question, but it really doesn't matter. When television sinks its vampire fangs into a subject, it sucks it dry. Welcome to this week's victim: At some point, Cincinnati football became Rodney Dangerfield trying to get into Bushwood -- a crass, loudmouthed outsider in a ballroom full of tuxedos.

The question for this vampire weekend: If Cincinnati goes undefeated, does it deserve to play for a national championship?

The logical answer: What are you smoking? Of course, Cincinnati deserves a shot. It needs help at the top, but that's not the argument in the third week of October. The rules suggest it has a better shot than BYU, TCU and Boise State, the usual subjects of this conversation. It already has been to the Orange Bowl as champion of the Big East, which is guaranteed a spot in the BCS.

Remember?

When we weren't looking, the line between the haves and have-nots was suddenly re-drawn. It now exists between the 24 teams that make up the SEC and Big 12, and everyone else. Those two leagues have won the past four national championships. The Big East? None. Cincinnati? Especially none. It has chased that automatic BCS berth for all of five seasons.

Should it matter?

You see where this is headed. Herbstreit, or whoever, plants the seed, the seed germinates in the head of a voter and -- poof! -- suddenly you have the unbeaten champ of a major (BCS) conference sucking on an Orange (Bowl) again.

It's athletic segregation by talk-show domination.

Cincinnati has become the latest national talking point because it debuted at No. 5 in the BCS and has the coach and players to run the table. But Cincinnati does not have the history, which bothers a lot of people. The Big East was disparaged at the start of the season for having no ranked teams. Now it has three in AP, one more than the Pac-10 and as many as the ACC and Mountain West. One of those, Pittsburgh, have won a national championship.

But while Cincinnati plays in the same conference as those traditionals, it is not perceived as one of them. The perception is that Cincinnati has been good enough to rise to No. 5 but not good enough to stay there if it keeps winning.

That's hypocritical, but what isn't in this system? All we can do is migrate to the next-newest story and dissect it. This week, Cincinnati is it. TCU, BYU and Boise State are almost old anecdotes at this point. Boise has played and beaten Oklahoma in a BCS bowl. BYU has won a national championship. TCU is an annual tease.

Cincinnati is -- hold on to your computer indexes -- different. Different because when you think about Cincinnati, you think about chili, Bob Huggins and maybe the Bengals or Reds. You do not think about college football.

You know America. Unless it looks, talks and smells like us, then different is bad.

"Close down all the other football teams and have six teams play for it and we'll all play for something else," said Kelly, Cincinnati's third-year coach. "It's almost silly. We're already picking the national champion."

'We're so ingrained to thinking about the traditional powers,' Brian Kelly says of the bias against Cincinnati. (US Presswire)  
'We're so ingrained to thinking about the traditional powers,' Brian Kelly says of the bias against Cincinnati. (US Presswire)  
Kelly is being sarcastic -- it's a state of being for the nation's hottest coaching property, who turns 48 Sunday.

Without the Cincinnatis, this season has been a bit boring. Same teams. Same stories. There definitely has been a Tim Tebow blowback, which is essentially, "Please, no more." Alabama is either No. 1 or 1-A, seemingly on a collision course with the Gators. That would be, what, 'Bama's 72nd national championship?

After that, it's Texas. The season has become like watching the Yankees each week. That is meant in the worst possible way, New York. No other sport wants an underdog as badly but does everything it can to keep a Rodney from getting into the club.

"We're so ingrained to thinking about the traditional powers," Kelly said. "Quite frankly, we're not one of them. We haven't been around long enough to be considered. If our name was West Virginia or Syracuse or Pittsburgh, we wouldn't be having this discussion."

That doesn't make it right. College football is the only sport where perception means more than the won-loss columns.

Yes, Cincinnati needs help down the stretch to reach the top two -- probably a loss by Texas because Florida or Alabama are on a collision course for elimination in the SEC title game. But it would be interesting to see if college football's cognoscenti would elevate the Bearcats if they were the only other undefeated option from a BCS conference.

Would an undefeated Cincinnati be valued more than a one-loss USC, Florida, Alabama or Texas?

"We said from Day 1, we just want to be part of the debate. That's it," Kelly said. "Don't exclude anyone because they have red jersey or their name is Cincinnati and it's not a household name."

Cincinnati would be a welcome addition to what is becoming Groundhog Day in the sport. That Kelly even took the job is a mild surprise, but he saw something. The program had spent 121 years, going to 11 bowl games, winning six. It was famous for producing Sandy Koufax, Oscar Robertson and President William Howard Taft. Sid Gillman coached there for six years. Nice press guide filler. Not great football.

Kelly arrived and in two quick seasons led the Bearcats to that Orange Bowl (a loss to Virginia Tech). The only reason Cincinnati was in that position is because of the ACC raid on the Big East four years ago. The Big East needed members, fast, to stay a viable BCS conference. Cincinnati got an early invite and took off -- at least in football.

It has beaten nine ranked teams since 2005, eight of those under Kelly. It had beaten a total of four between 1936 (the first AP poll) and 2005. There was a time when Cincinnati's quarterback being day-to-day wouldn't make the agate page. Now Tony Pike is a Heisman candidate, and his condition for Saturday's game against Louisville is a national headline.

Kelly's rise in the profession has been as sudden as Cincinnati's. This is his third job since 2003. Everywhere he has been, he has won. There have been baby steps from Division II Grand Valley State to Central Michigan to Cincinnati. The buzz about him leaving began almost from the time Kelly first started having success.

Washington and Tennessee showed interest after last season, but Kelly stayed put. He's a fixer. He lays hands on things and they get better. When the defense lost 10 starters, he took a bunch of guys from offense and converted them. Former Notre Dame quarterback Demetrius Jones transferred to Cincinnati to have a chance to play. He's playing, all right -- as a linebacker.

"He couldn't transfer again," Kelly said. "He was going to play a position that I thought could help him and could help the team."

A new practice field was a deal-breaker, so he had it written into his contract. The money was raised privately, and the new facility is on schedule to open soon.

The prevailing feeling is that Kelly's next move will be to one of those traditional BCS conference programs. Soon. The reality is, well, who knows? Kelly could cash in on this two-year run and bolt after this season. He could also be "stuck" if there are no viable openings. Kelly and we will be left to wonder how his talents would translate to a bigger, better program.

"Maybe the question is the answer," Kelly said of his future. "It's nice to build something. It's nice to know you're not having to be compared to Darrell Royal or Bo Schembechler or John Robinson or Pete Carroll or Lou Holtz.

"If this was a Fortune 500 company, I'd want to fix the business, turn it into a blue-chip stock. Here, we wanted to fix the program and change the perception and make it relevant. We're relevant. Now we have to keep playing."

 
 

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October 22, 2009 6:14 pm
Nice try, Dodd - trying to prop up Cincinnati like that.  Fact is, it is not about them being "different" or not a traditional power.  It is about the competition they play week in and week out.  We've all seen them play, a Thursday night here or there, maybe a Saturday.  If anybody thinks they could compete for the SEC, Big 12 or Pac-10 championship, they would be crazy.  ...(more)
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October 23, 2009 5:08 am
Recent history has showed us that the "new" Big East can compete (and win) against the best that the SEC and Big 12 have to offer, just go back to the Sugar Bowl between Big East Champion West Virginia and SEC Champion Georgia or the Fiesta Bowl between Big 12 Champion Oklahoma and Big East Champion West Virginia.  Both times the media and the majority of the college football world ...(more)
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October 23, 2009 1:09 pm
This happens every year and it's already happened before this year... but goodness it's only October how can you pick teams for the National Championship half-way through the season? This is college football crazy things happen every weekend! Miami was already mentioned this year. They got all kinds of attention and talk after they went through that brutal schedule to start the year, and after the ...(more)
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October 23, 2009 3:40 am
Every person who hates the BCS should be rooting for the Bearcats, an undeafeted Cincinnati team, forces them into to the title game and exposes the BCS where it matters - the pocket book.
The BCS system stinks and was created so the big money games could stay with the big money schools.

The BCS will never change unless it gets exposed, while a one loss Florida, Texas or Alabama
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October 23, 2009 8:23 am
Wouldn't it be great if somehow, some way, UC were able to get into the so-called "title" game.  The powers that be in the NCAA would simply crap themselves.  "How could this happen," they would say.  "UC is not a big-time school and have no national audience," they would say.  "There goes our ratings!" they would exclaim.  Wouldn't ...(more)
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October 23, 2009 9:46 am
This article is far more ignorant than even those who would say Cinci doesn't have a shot.

It is written as if it has been decided that Cinci will not get to play for the NC even if they are undefeated.  What is this assumption based on other than Dodd's ignorance and Cinci's coach's playing the sympathy card?  Most would agree that if Cincy runs through the Big East undefeate
...(more)
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October 23, 2009 10:17 am
Don't forget that Herbstreet bleeds scarlet and grey. UC is breathing down the neck of Ohio State and loyal Buckeyes, like Herbstreet, don't like it one bit. He will do everything he can to discredit the appearance of UC on the national scene.
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October 23, 2009 2:02 am

I became a Cincinnati fan and a Big East fan when I went to the Cincinnati/Oklahoma game in Norman last year.  Even though Sam Bradford threw for 5 TDs that day, OU was only leading 21-13 at halftime.  In the 2nd half the ball bounced our way a couple of times and we stretched it out, final score 52-26.  Neither Texas Tech, with Graham Harrell, nor Missouri, with Chase Da ...(more)

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October 22, 2009 6:23 pm

The system just won't let the computers do their job of evaluating the SOS. Nope, the media and people's perception is making the race for the BCS like trying to get into Bushwood or watching a beauty show. Purely subjective. And with each article written, it's not about the team who is out there playing the game, but rather how they match up against the Florida's, Alabama's, Texas' or USC ...(more)

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October 22, 2009 10:45 pm
How can there even be an argument against Cincinnati? If they are one of two remaining undefeated teams at the end of the season they should without question be in the championship game. Life for teams like Boise and TCU is made difficult because they do not play in BCS conferences but Cincinnati plays in the Big East and the last time I checked that was a BCS conference. How could an undefeated t ...(more)
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October 22, 2009 10:37 pm
The school has done amazing things in 3 years..givin the first year was a rebuilding year under Kelly. These guys deserve alot of credit...maybe this is not the year for them to go to the NC ( unless there are 2 losses for the teams infront of them..but Cincy should be looked at as a viable NC team if they continue this way for the next year or two...unfortuntly that all hinges on kelly staying th ...(more)
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October 22, 2009 5:42 pm
The novelty of the TCUs, BSUs, Utahs, and BYUs of the world are because there isn't exactly a lot of inter-league contests between the MWC or WAC and the SECs and BIG-12s of the world. Now when I say this I mean to say that these conferences will gladly play Wyoming, SDSU, Utah State, etc but I mean between the big conferences and the big names from the little ones. As such, it is kind of novel to ...(more)
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October 22, 2009 7:42 pm
Thank you Dodd for spotlighting the Bearcat program. Unbeknownst to others, there is really good football being played outside of the SEC, Big-XII, Pac-Ten and Big-Ten. The only reason Cincinnati shouldn't play for the National Championship is if their is a one loss Florida or Alabama team, and an undefeated Texas Team. Should their be a slip up between the either the SEC Champ, or Texas, then UC ...(more)
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October 22, 2009 8:48 pm
The solution to whether those "other" league champions belong in better Bowl games is scheduling each other.

BCS conference teams should promise to play two of their non-conference games against BCS conference teams.

If  All BCS conference Teams played teams from the other four BCS conferences, there would be common opponents and much better comparisons, T
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GMS
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October 22, 2009 5:02 pm
Sorry Dodd, but as much as I wish they would have, WVU has never won the national Championship.  The closest they came was in 1988 when they lost to Notre Dame in the Fiesta bowl.  They were undefeated in 1993, but so were Nebraska and Florida State and WVU was playing for number two when they lost to Florida in the Sugar Bowl.
 
 
 
 
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