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Pitino doesn't deserve hate or firing squad

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Rick Pitino can't lose his job. Not for this. That's my position if not my prediction, because I was starting to think Pitino -- who has admitted to giving a mistress $3,000, which she apparently used for an abortion -- just might lose his job after the uncomfortable University of Louisville president finished taking the public's temperature.

The public seems to be steaming mad.

And that's understandable. Kentucky is a conservative state. Family values and so forth.

But Pitino can't lose his job. Not for this. Not if this is the country I'm positive it once was, and I'm pretty sure still is.

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Unless there's a component of sexual harassment involved, which there is not in this case, you don't get fired for having an affair with a grown woman. Maybe you do in some places, places where they stone people guilty of infidelity, but not here. Nor do you get fired for impregnating her, or even for giving her $3,000. Depending on whom you believe, the money was for insurance or an abortion. You don't get fired for it, whatever it was.

Not in my America.

It would be nice if we could all agree on that, but this is where some of your biases will come into play. And that's understandable, too. This is what we do as sports fans. We use every morsel of negative information at our disposal to beat down the other side, even when those morsels are borderline irrelevant or even completely inappropriate. For example, Lakers guard Kobe Bryant and Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger were accused of rape -- accusations that looked as bogus as Barry Bonds' biceps -- and fans around both leagues rejoiced. The Lakers and Steelers are great teams. Kobe and Ben are great players. What's bad for those players is bad for their teams. That's how people think.

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That's how people will think here, too, with Rick Pitino. If you don't like Pitino -- maybe you root for a competing Big East team, or maybe you're a Kentucky fan still infuriated that he's at Louisville, or maybe you don't like the way he slicks back his hair -- now is your chance. It's dog-pile time, and that's Pitino at the bottom. Fire the cheatin' SOB!

Right?

Wrong.

Every now and then, even in something as passionately irrational as team sports, we should stop rooting for what's right for our side, and start rooting for what's simply ... right. In this case, we should root against something that's wrong.

And firing Pitino would be wrong.

If we're going to fire people for having an affair, the unemployment rate in this country would shoot to roughly 50 percent. The abortion, however objectionable you find it, is irrelevant here. It's legal, and it doesn't matter if Pitino paid for it. That, too, is legal. Pitino's Roman Catholicism, and the hypocrisy of traveling with a priest while paying for a mistress's abortion, is an issue between Pitino and God. But God isn't the president at Louisville.

James Ramsey is that president, and his initial media statement had me thinking Pitino might want to start gathering moving boxes. Ramsey has since expressed his support for the coach, but in his initial statement he indicated that Pitino had lied to him months ago when they first discussed the other woman, Karen Sypher, who has been indicted for trying to extort money, cars and college tuition from Pitino. Sypher retaliated with a claim that Pitino raped her, a claim that is as believable as vampire fiction.

"Several months ago, Coach Pitino informed me about the alleged extortion attempt," Ramsey said. "I've now been informed that there may be other details which, if true, I find surprising."

While Ramsey appeared to be vaguely on the anti-Pitino side of this equation, Louisville athletics director Tom Jurich was not. Ramsey suggested Pitino lied to him. Jurich emphatically said that is not the case.

"Coach Pitino has been truthful with us about this matter all along and we stand by him and his family during this process," Jurich said in a statement.

Still, Pitino's contract has all sorts of clauses that could allow Louisville to fire him. There is the matter of "employee's dishonesty with Employer" and "acts of moral depravity" in addition to "disparaging media publicity ... that damages the good name and reputation" of Louisville.

Taken one by one:

If Pitino lied to Ramsey a few months ago, well, he has given Ramsey the legal excuse to fire him. A lie that big, to your employer, probably should get you fired. So I couldn't argue that.

But that garbage about moral depravity or disparaging publicity? Complete crap. Having an affair isn't moral depravity. It's life. Unless Louisville wants to be on the record as saying roughly half of the American population is morally depraved. If so, Louisville should put its morals where its mouth is and make that position clear on future fund-raising letters to alumni. The school wouldn't raise 20 bucks.

Your Turn: Reader Rip
TurdFerguson: 50 percent cheat? Do you have some sort of study that backs that up? Or is it just a number you're throwing out because it supports your argument? I'm looking at a U.S. News article from last year that throws out numbers between 11 and 18 percent . An article in Forbes from a couple months ago suggests a similar number. Not saying he should be fired, but the "everybody's doin' it" argument you're using seems shoddy. Don't throw marriage under the bus just because Pitino sucks at it.
Writer Retort
GreggDoyel: Google the words marriage, cheating and percent. You wouldn't know about cheating, Turd, because anybody who uses a bowel movement as a first name, even anonymously online, is probably so ugly and definitely so crass as to never have the opportunity to cheat. Good for you. As for the rest of the world ... it happens. All the time. It would be nice to live in your world where cheating is so rare, but kindergarten ended for me in 1976.
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This isn't Alabama football coach Mike Price making an ass of himself at a strip club and getting himself fired for cavorting with strippers. This isn't Iowa State basketball coach Larry Eustachy making an ass of himself at a drunken college party, kissing up college girls and losing his job. This is a grown man (Pitino) and a grown woman (Sypher) doing what grown-ups sometimes do. In private. It went public only because she became a criminal, trying to extort money from Pitino. That's not his fault.

An abortion, while objectionable to many people on ethical or religious grounds, isn't "moral depravity" either. And as for bad publicity, well, look. Schools like to pretend the media doesn't matter 98 percent of the time, so don't turn around and use us to justify the firing of a basketball coach who had an affair. That's weak. Be better than that, Louisville.

As for the rest of us, we need to be better than what we've been, too. The glee we take in the discovery that an immortal is just as human as the rest of us? It's sickening. Jesus-preaching Josh Hamilton gets photographed with women and whipped cream and tongues everywhere. Roethlisberger and Bryant get accused of rape. Pitino has this scandal. And the haters line up. Someone falls down -- and you kick.

Come on. Be better than that. This isn't a sporting mistake. It isn't a loss on the field or an NCAA violation or even a stupid quote to the media. This is real life stuff, and if you're using it as a hammer to hit Pitino on the head, then you're a bully.

And if Louisville tries to use this to fire Pitino, then Louisville is un-American. The school's main color, however, is red. Maybe it could open a campus in Beijing.

 
 

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August 16, 2009 12:05 pm
Why does this article not surprise me?  Doyel is the ultimate douche.  I spent almost 10 years listening to this crybaby piss and moan about Bob Knight and what a terrible coach he is because he's mean and yells at players.  But now we have a scumbag like Pitino involved in a sex scandal and Doyel wants to give him a pass.  Maybe if Bob Knight was out raping women and paying th ...(more)
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August 14, 2009 2:07 pm
To piggy-back many of the posts here, if the incident affects Pitino's job performance (recruiting, winning games), then the grounds for dismissal are clearly laid. Pitino will not be welcome in the homes of many recruits henceforth. This actually might make Pitino's recruting job easier: he now knows not to bother recruiting devout Catholic kids.

Secondly, coaches are university repres
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August 14, 2009 11:28 am
None of us likely know enough of the details underneath this entire story to truly pronounce judgment here but my issue with arguing that we should essentially look the other way (wonder if you'd feel the same Doyel if it happened to you) is that Pitino isn't purely an employee in some corner cube plugging away.  He is the leader of young men, generally 18 to 22 years old.  He is activel ...(more)
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August 14, 2009 12:31 am
Rick Pitino should not be fired, this has nothing to do with his job.  It doesn't effect his school, recruiting, etc.  However, public cheating is apparently the only thing that calls for your head from the people.  Ask any politician. 

Clinton, Sanford, Spitzer, and we'll see about Pitino.  Yes, college basketball is not the government, but it's still the same
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August 14, 2009 9:22 pm
You're right Doyel, he shouldn't be fired.  Bottom line is that he's done wonders for the program, so firing for something completely unrelated to basketball is irrational.  I mean honestly, this happened so long ago anyways!  Plus, this women is literally extorting him and should be in legal trouble herself.  Yes, his actions were completely immoral, and his family has every r ...(more)
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August 13, 2009 1:26 pm

Depravity is too strong a word. The tryst with the unstable harridan in question may be repugnant in the eyes of some, but a little drunken philandering is nowhere near as vile an act as falsely claiming rape and trying to extort unearned, undeserved lucre from your erstwhile paramour. Since the news of this affair broke, there have been no public statements from Pitino’s wife on th ...(more)

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August 15, 2009 12:35 pm
For anyone who missed it Gregg Doyel was called out for a source when he said 50% of people cheat in their marriages.  Doyel's retort(partial):

GreggDoyel:
Google the words marriage, cheating and percent. You wouldn't know about cheating, Turd, because anybody who uses a bowel movement as a first name, even anonymously online, is probably so ugly and d
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August 14, 2009 3:52 pm
He needs to resign. Plain and simple. If not, I highly doubt Louisville will be getting any recruits to commit to that school. I am on the extreme left side of the politics scale, and yes, politics has a lot to do with this when you consider the abortion. With that in mind, there is no way I would ever allow this guy to help mold my son into a man. There are plenty of other great coaches out there ...(more)
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August 13, 2009 2:38 pm
I don't have a horse in this race, so it doesn't matter to me what Louisiville does. But if I did have a team, and its coach did something like this, I would be greatly offended if his employment were retained. You don't cheat on your wife. You just don't do it.

You're right that this isn't Mike Price or Larry Eustachy. But it;s still just as bad, and might be worse. Price was at the
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August 13, 2009 1:33 pm
I'm a UK fan and most certainly not a UL fan, but the people who go out of their way to bash others for moral failings make me sick.

They often times like to quote the bible or pronounce their religion, but they don't mention the quote that most applies to this case, "those without sin cast the first stone." They know their sin won't ever be revealed like this so they have th
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August 14, 2009 11:23 am
Gregg, spare me your little diatribe.  We all know there's no way in the world that Pitino will be fired at Louisville.  The team entered last year's tournament as the No. 1 seed.  It wouldn't matter if Pitino had had Sypher murdered, he wouldn't be fired.  He can do whatever he wants, and Louisville's prez has to portray moral indignity to appease those offended by Pitino's ac ...(more)
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August 13, 2009 12:45 pm
I guess I don't understand, I hear the media discussing that he should be fired, but where is this public outrage the media is talking about exist?  Who really wants this guy fired over this?  Do I like what he did, no.  But the two are seperate issues.  Why should he be fired?  And where is this coming from?  Instead of a talking head, or a writer that likes to spark ...(more)
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August 13, 2009 12:31 pm
First, I don't like Rick Pitino.  Second, I don't think he should be fired for this. 

Life has a way of humbling us all.  When we get too confident, or start believing that we became successful all by ourselves, something always comes along to remind us that we aren't as great as we think we are.  This is a huge humbling moment for Pitino, brought on entirely by
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zcg
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August 13, 2009 6:10 pm
Three brief comments -- If you regard sex with a stranger on a table in a restaurant, with an assistant coach hanging around (keeping an eye out? videotaping? using mayonnaise in a non-gastronomic way?) as being 'in private', then I guess we use different dictionaries.  Also, the part about her realizing in just 2 weeks that she was pregnant is difficult to accept from a biologic standpoint, ...(more)
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August 13, 2009 12:25 pm
Un-American? Communist? How about the fact that recruiting for the University of Louisville basketball will take such a huge hit, that it will not only affect the talent level of the team, but the number of butts in the seats at their new downtown arena. Is that "on the court" enough for you?

At what point does an off the job scandal cause an employer to fire such an employee?
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