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Tressel outshines Carroll in college football's location nation

This story is going to do things you didn't think possible. It will compliment Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel in a way that insults the OSU football program. It will compliment Southern California in a way that insults USC coach Pete Carroll.

How is that possible? It just is. Trust me. I know how this story ends.

And I know how it begins, too.

Jim Tressel's teams have routinely beaten the teams they should beat. (Getty Images)  
Jim Tressel's teams have routinely beaten the teams they should beat. (Getty Images)  
It begins with a football game on Sept. 28, 2003. It begins on that day with this score: California 34, USC 31.

Cal was unranked. The Trojans were No. 3. That was the first of six losses to unranked Pac-10 teams the Trojans have suffered under Carroll, a trend that continued Saturday when No. 3 USC lost to Washington. Given how good USC has been under Carroll, that's a staggering number of losses to unranked teams.

Still, Carroll usually gets a pass from critics. He's a great coach. Almost everyone says so.

Meanwhile, at Ohio State, Tressel gets no such free pass. His teams mangle the teams they're supposed to mangle, but the Buckeyes have lost six consecutive games to opponents ranked in the top five, and the country laughs while the locals cry. Just last week, after Tressel's Buckeyes lost to Carroll's top five Trojans, OSU fans dumped their misery into Tressel's e-mail account, causing Tressel to mock them as being "already miserable ... there's no way they're happy."

Tressel is mostly ripped while Carroll is mostly left alone, which means something has been lost along the way: Common sense. Perspective. An understanding of what those two programs are, and just as important, where they are. Use some common sense on the matter, have some perspective, and you'll see the obvious:

Jim Tressel is a better coach than Pete Carroll.

I know what the numbers say. Carroll has won 84.9 percent of his games compared to 81 percent for Tressel. Carroll has won two national titles to one for Tressel. And just nine days ago, Carroll beat Tressel head-to-head. In Columbus, no less.

The numbers say Carroll is better than Tressel, but numbers lie. Numbers say Tim Tebow is the best college quarterback of all time, and that's a lie of Nixonian or Clintonian proportions.

When it comes to Tressel and Carroll, this is the absolute truth:

At a football goldmine like USC, Carroll is supposed to win 84.9 percent of his games. He's supposed to win two national titles in eight or nine years. And he's supposed to beat Tressel head-to-head. Why? Three reasons: Location, location, location.

Look at the consistently dominant programs -- the national champions, the near-champions -- in today's college football: Florida. Southern Cal. Texas. Oklahoma. LSU.

And Ohio State.

What school doesn't belong in that group, from a geography standpoint?

Ohio State.

The Buckeyes have no business beating USC or LSU or Florida, and so bless their heart, they don't. They get smoked when they play a top five team, one usually from the Deep South or from Southern California, because they aren't just playing against USC or LSU or Florida.

They're playing against a stacked deck.

Kids don't want to play for Ohio State because kids don't want to freeze their ass off. You'll find exceptions to that statement, obviously, but save it. Don't give me a recruiting list that shows how a handful of top recruits every year pick Penn State or Notre Dame or, yes, Ohio State. Don't bother. Those are the exceptions, not the rule. Most great players pick a college where it's warm, in part because they live where it's warm. The best players come from Florida, California and Texas. And where are the best college programs located? Florida, California and Texas (and Oklahoma). What a coincidence.

That stuff is obvious, but don't tell me it's obvious. Tell yourself. You're the one who insists Pete Carroll is a better coach than Jim Tressel because he wins more than Jim Tressel -- even as you conveniently forget that Carroll should win more than Tressel.

Yet Carroll doesn't win the games he should. Not every time. About once a year his team loses a game it has no business losing. Carroll got the choke shock out of the way early this season against Washington, but I'm disagreeing with Dennis Dodd on one thing: He suggests Carroll's dynasty is teetering. Not me. As long as he's there, Carroll will win 84.9 percent of his games and the occasional national title. He's the perfect fit for USC because he knows how to attract future NFL talent. Does he know how to coach it, how to maximize it? No. He does not.

Tressel coaches. Tressel maximizes. His teams don't choke or get shocked. Do they lose to the best opponents on the biggest stages? Yeah. They do. All things being equal, the more talented team wins, and Ohio State hasn't been more talented than LSU or Florida or USC or Texas. And Ohio State should never be more talented than LSU or Florida or USC or Texas.

But Tressel does get the most out of his teams. I'm sure of that. Carroll? I'm not so sure about him. The only thing I'm sure of, when it comes to Carroll, is this: He signs guys like Leinart and Bush and White and Sanchez and stud after stud after stud, but it's wrong to say Carroll signs great talent and then just rolls the ball onto the field and lets them play.

Because if he just rolled the ball onto the field and let them play, the Trojans would have beaten Washington.

 
 

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September 22, 2009 2:21 pm
He is dead on right.  Anyone can feel free to look at most of my posts the last month defending Tressel.  The man is an excellent coach that gets no respect.  He NEVER loses to a team he is supposed to beat.  Until 2006, he regularly won even the big games.  But suddenly he loses to Top 5 teams for a few years and he sucks?  C'mon retards.  Even you know better t ...(more)
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September 22, 2009 1:53 pm
I cannot belive what I just read. tOSU should be a pass because htey are... in Ohio!?!?!?!  What is this, affirmative action.  Perhaps we should simply mail Boise the crystal ball and take the rest of the season off. We can watch Dr Phil or something and our little ones wont get hurt, emotionally or physically. Be sure we all get our really bid participation trophys - all the same size. ...(more)
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September 23, 2009 2:31 pm
People confuse putting talent in to the NFL with total team talent.  Football is all about match ups.  At the upper levels, it becomes much more difficult to hide the weaknesses.  Against Fla, the Bucks were starting a WALK ON at CB.  LSU had unquestionably the better linemen going into the NC game.  As for USC, when was the last time, until this year that they had a disad ...(more)
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September 22, 2009 4:44 pm
Wasn't it a few years ago when everyone was crying about Michigan being "bumped" out of the BCS National CHampionship game against Ohio St. in place of Florida? Wasn't it a travesty how we weren't going to get to see the "Game of The Century" part 2? And then the team from Gainesville went out west and manhandled Ohio St. 41-14. Then the excuses began. Ohio St. had too many days off? If they would ...(more)
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September 22, 2009 5:03 pm
It's a pretty simple formula he has at OSU, recruit pretty good players... Make your schedule as weak as possible... Never leave Columbus to play in state schools... And every now and then schedule a big name program that so people cant say you haven't played ANYBODY, you can still say well we played USC, got smoked, but we played them.  If location was all that mattered why is Oklahoma ...(more)
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September 23, 2009 3:03 pm
About a month ago a map of the home towns of BCS school players was circulating on the internet. It originated on one of the sports sites. perhaps this one. Yes, it is true, The mid and deep South, including Texas, are hotbeds of future BCS-level players. And southern California is as well. But Ohio State sits close to three very good areas for recruits: southwestern Ohio, especially Cincinnati, N ...(more)
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September 22, 2009 4:39 pm
Jim Tressel, Pete Carroll, and Bob Stoops are three of the top coaches in college football.  Teams coached by Tressel have not had recent success against teams in the top 5.  Teams coached by Carroll have lost focus against a lesser opponent once a year, recently.  Teams coached by Bob Stoops have lost 5 bowl games in a row.  If you take this approach, you can pick apart these ...(more)
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September 22, 2009 8:49 pm
It is hard to believe it, Doyel has a point about location. It is not just cold weather, but wind, rain and snow. The rules have changed so much in favor of passing that what top passing QB or top WR wants to play in the north knowing that in some games he will simply be unable to showcase his talent due to the weather. These kids today are thinking about the next level. Tressel was able to initia ...(more)
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September 22, 2009 6:12 pm
I know Jake Locker has alot of heart and is fun to watch, so yeah, Washington definately missed him last year when he got hurt. HOWEVER, the rest of Washington's team went 0 - 12 last year. Yep....NO WINS. While I'm sure Locker improves them, as did Sarkisian, that in no way shape or form makes them "underrated". Was Stanford "underrated" when they beat USC for their FIRST vict ...(more)
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September 23, 2009 8:12 am

First of all The Herd has been making the argument about location for a few yrs now for Ohio State. I partially agree with it.

True there's a better crop of athletes that go out west or down south BUT Ohio State is ALWAYS in the top five in recruiting so let's kill that theory.. It's still a team game.

R u telling me that the Huskers have better a
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September 22, 2009 12:56 pm
Boring! Re-tread.

Facts: Tressel has won big games and still has more wins than losses in BCS bowl games, 4-3. He is taking more heat than deserved. Though he is not spotless. 3 of the last 6 games you mentioned were decided by 1 play. 3 were one sided. Tressel owns his rival and wins conference championships. He is a good coach on many levels but still needs to improve.

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September 22, 2009 2:11 pm
Location only has a little to do with where the marquis prospects choose to enroll.  Exposure is the top factor governing where these kids choose to play.  Programs like Florida, USC, Oklahoma, LSU, and Ohio State are on national television every week!  The prestige of playing for one of these schools that the prospects are completely familiar with (due to seeing them every week) pr ...(more)
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September 24, 2009 6:26 am
I see where you are coming from. Jim Tressel does a lot with little talent he has available compared to Pete Carroll's unlimited talent at his program. If you look at the talent USC has on paper Pete Carroll shouldn't be losing to non ranked teams. However, it shouldn't be any other team's problem that Ohio State can't recruit. There's no excuse for Ohio State being to cold to recruit player ...(more)
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September 22, 2009 7:05 pm
I agree somewhat with your comparison of Tressel and Carroll, visa a vie the national perception. Tressel and OSU have been crucified for their losses the last 4 years, while USC and Carroll, although talked about, seem to get much less vitriol thrown their way. The main reason for this is that, although college football doesn't have a playoff, like other sports, how you finish the season is what ...(more)
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September 22, 2009 7:20 pm
The one thing that was left out of the article is that Carroll and the Trojans always win the big game when it counts and are usually toughest at the end of the season. The one exception was the loss to Texas in the championship game, and even that was left up to a few bad calls and a last second score. For the most part the Trojans are always going to be at the top because of their ability to att ...(more)
 
 
 
 
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