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Pulling no punches against clueless coaches' poll

Hate Mail: Fighting ire with ire

I've been fighting it, but no more. From this day forward, based on the way they handle their business, I will give college football coaches every bit of respect that they deserve.

Which is to say ...

None.

The Ducks pushed Cal around last weekend but they aren't on top of the Bears in the coaches poll. (US Presswire)  
The Ducks pushed Cal around last weekend but they aren't on top of the Bears in the coaches poll. (US Presswire)  
Honestly. Read this week's Top 25 -- and read them all, not just the coaches poll -- and tell me that the average college football coach is smarter than a squirrel.

Prove it. Prove to me that he's smarter than a squirrel. Based on this week's Top 25, he's not -- and I've seen some stupid squirrels. Ran over one just the other day. Silly thing wouldn't get out of my way.

Now it's the coaches. They can't get out of their own way. They want to be taken seriously, I suppose, as leaders or BCS contributors or as people who give more to society than the spread option and those polyester shorts some of them still wear. But how do you take a college football coach seriously when he ranked California six spots ahead of Oregon in this week's Top 25?

Oregon and Cal played five days ago, and Oregon won -- 42-3.

And this week, Cal is ranked No. 19. Oregon is 25th. Imagine if Cal had scored late to get within 42-10 -- the Ducks probably wouldn't be ranked at all.

It would be nice if that indefensible poll placement were an isolated event, but it also would be nice if the Kardashian sisters would please leave my sports news the hell alone. Sometimes, alas, bad things happen.

Things like Ole Miss being ranked 18th this week in the coaches poll ... and South Carolina being unranked. The two teams played last Thursday night, with no other game on television. South Carolina won 16-10, and while South Carolina looked pretty good, Ole Miss looked dreadful. And still, on their next chance to cast a vote, coaches voted for Ole Miss ahead of South Carolina. The Gamecocks received enough votes to be ranked 29th, if the poll were extended that far. Which means Ole Miss should be no better than 30th.

It happened four times this week, OK?

Four.

Times.

There was Cal-Oregon. And Ole Miss-South Carolina.

There was also Penn State-Iowa, with Iowa not just beating Penn State but winning at Penn State ... and then being rewarded in the coaches poll with the No. 17 ranking.

Four spots behind No. 13 Penn State.

And these ranking screw-ups can't be explained away. This wasn't Washington beating Southern California. As wonderful as that win was for Washington, it was a fluke and voters reacted as such, knowing that each school's body of work mandated USC be ranked ahead of the Huskies. No, that wasn't the case in any of those examples. Oregon is 3-1 with a loss only to No. 5 Boise State; Cal also is 3-1, with the loss a blowout to the Ducks. South Carolina is 3-1, with a loss only to No. 14 Georgia; Ole Miss is 2-1, with the loss to the Gamecocks. And Iowa is undefeated, while Penn State has that home loss to Iowa.

Those rankings cannot be defended. And for it to happen three times in a week, with a fourth instance piggybacked from earlier in the season -- Houston is undefeated with a win against Oklahoma State, but OSU is 12th and Houston is 15th -- is concrete proof that coaches don't have any idea what's happening in college football outside of their own campus.

But we knew that. Coaches polls have always been a joke, with South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier contributing a laugh track. He's the guy who always gives Duke a Top 25 vote in the preseason poll simply because he likes his former employer, and he's also the guy who let one of his staff flunkies pick South Carolina's ballot for the preseason SEC team -- a ballot that left 2007 Heisman winner Tim Tebow of Florida off the first team.

Coaches are infamous for that stuff. They give their votes to a grad assistant or a publicist, because they're too busy saving the world and watching film of the other team so they can decipher that the other team's all-conference running back is good at breaking arm tackles. Don't try that film breakdown at home.

Do you think I'm being disrespectful of the average football coach's voting ethic, if not his intellect? Good. You're paying attention. Which means you would be a better voter than the typical coach.

You'd also be better than the goobers in the Harris Interactive poll, most of whom are former players or assistant coaches or radio homers. The Harris poll is poor and unoriginal, plagiarizing the coaches poll of all things. And since both polls are used in the BCS rankings, that means the incompetent coaches poll is basically given a double weighting. This week's Harris poll, for example, has Penn State ahead of Iowa, Ole Miss ahead of South Carolina and Cal ahead of Oregon. Where do you think Harris voters got those ideas? From the coaches poll, of course.

Meanwhile, one poll gets it (mostly) right. The AP poll has Iowa ahead of Penn State. Houston ahead of Oklahoma State. Oregon ahead of Cal.

Not to say that media members are smart. We're not.

We're just not as stupid as coaches.

 
For more from Gregg Doyel, check him out on Twitter: @greggdoyelcbs
 

Talk Back
Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Jan 29, 2007

October 1, 2009 5:36 pm
If the coach's poll wasn't central to the selection of the teams in the BCS title game, it would be amusing but harmless. But it's not. Why we as fans continue to tolerate this monstrosity of a system is simply beyond me. At least the AP poll had the intellectual honesty to pull out of the BCS and refuse to allow the BCS to use it in an attempt to justify itself. I have a lot of respect for the AP ...(more)
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Level:All-Star
Since:Dec 2, 2006

October 2, 2009 8:56 am
Yes, HEAD TO HEAD in college sports is all that matters as far as rankings go. Of course, how one would deal with last years quandary under this imbecilic scenario is an interesting question -- you remember -- Texas Beat OU Beat Texas Tech Beat Texas...

Prior to this, one would've hoped Doyle was bright enough to gather that the rankings, ideally, should represent who would beat more
...(more)
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Since:Dec 28, 2006

October 2, 2009 4:32 am

In 2000, All-everything Center Kenyon Martin broke his leg in the first game of the conference tournament after his team - the University of Cincinnati - ended the regular season after 12 straight weeks atop the AP polls. Martin was everything to that team and was suddenly out for the post season.

That left a dilemma for the tourney seed committee -  it w ...(more)

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Since:Jul 15, 2008

October 1, 2009 12:35 pm
Am I the only one who finds Doyle's hate-filled blogs a tad bit tiresome? Sure, the polls make mistakes--but then again, just because one team beats another team (particularly if they're playing at home), this does not automatically mean they are the better team. Upsets happen and as such you need to look at the entire body of work. Let's look at polls for what they are: the best guesses of either ...(more)
Reputation:94
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Since:Aug 18, 2006

October 1, 2009 7:00 pm
I had just posted this to my blog, right before I read this article.  It says exactly the opposite.  Head on over and look at it and the rest of my blog, or talk about it here :)

"What does all the instability in the College Top 25 so far this year really mean?

I believe it shows u ...(more)

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October 1, 2009 10:48 pm

Not to say that media members are smart. We're not.

We're just not as stupid as coaches. 

According to Pollspeak.com , Cleveland's Plain Dealer sports analyst Doug Lesmerises' ballot cons
...(more)
Reputation:96
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October 2, 2009 11:44 pm
BCS bowls are determined by strength of schedule and wins and losses.

Every other bowl game has conference affiliations that predetermine which schools have a chance to go to their bowls.

Based on these criteria polls are nothing more than a usefull tool to fill newspaper columns and online articles.

College football wouldn't blink an eye if they were disbande
...(more)
Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Nov 29, 2006

October 1, 2009 4:39 pm
Actually, Doyel is incorrect on this one. The AP is comprised of the most clueless of all clueless. Journalists who for the most part have no experience whatsoever in football at any level, other than perhaps kicking a soccer ball around an empty lot as a cute child and participating in group hugs, and scrums with girls. (Ah yes, mom and dad probably have the pictures to prove it.) Most of these s ...(more)
Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Apr 17, 2009

October 2, 2009 4:42 am
It always baffles me how posters side step the topic and go for the poster of the topic or thread.  We as Americans like to voice our opinions and are very proud of having that right, yet we are extremely ignorant and disrespecful when someone acts with that right.  So what if a person has a view different than yours, why is that individual stupid?  Because they don't have the same ...(more)
Reputation:96
Level:Superstar
Since:Dec 16, 2008

October 1, 2009 10:58 pm
This blog was hate filled and your squirrel joke was tasteless.  Stop feeding into the system and writing negative garbage, it is bringing everyone down.  You apparently need to get people to react and respond.  This will be my last response to any of the s--t you write.  Use your writing to do something better for society than this.   
Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 19, 2006

October 1, 2009 12:05 pm
The AP not the coaches poll has the explaining to do. The AP chose not to be a part of the BCS formula even though they were included for a number of years. But when all the tree hugging left wingers couldn't name USC the national champion over LSU who played in the BCS game that year. The AP like the spoiled chidren they are decided to take their ball and go home. Now you want to attack the coach ...(more)
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Since:Jan 23, 2009

October 1, 2009 12:59 pm

I love the squirrel killer comment.  Too bad Doyel took off the picture with him holding a hammer - would've been perfect.  As for the poster who seems to blame the AP for dropping out of the BCS mix - are you serious??  You seem to give credit to the coaches for stepping up and doing a difficult job.  But they're not doing this out of a sense of duty.  I'd argue that t ...(more)

Reputation:96
Level:Superstar
Since:Jun 5, 2009

October 2, 2009 2:12 am
Just wanted to thank you for a good article Doyel.  You presented facts. You made it an 'enjoyable' read, by adding in the personal statements with squirrels and what not. You made a valid point, and backed it up with even more valid examples. Great article, and thanks for the read.
Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 31, 2006

October 1, 2009 11:17 am
Is transparency to the voting, so we can see which coaches are how stupid (or corrupt).  I would rather see a coach decline to vote, and tell us he's too busy to give the poll its due attention than to do the half-assed job these clowns do with it knowing no one can call them on their bad votes.

Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Jan 16, 2007

October 1, 2009 2:56 pm

Use fan votes.

Select 100 or so folks randomly and let them know during the week that Sunday by 11AM EST or whatever they have to produce a poll.  People would take it seriously.  With a high enough number you would eliminate outliers (like someone ranking Indiana #4) and get a respectable poll.

Of course, the fear is that it would end up exactly how the BCS look ...(more)

 
 
 
 
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