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Warner's a lock!

Posted on: January 25, 2009 9:19 pm
 

So we're hearing all of a sudden that Kurt Warner doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame?  Or at least needs to win on Sunday to become a first ballot lock.  Who's kidding who?

I loved Pete Prisco's article on this whole debate.  The comparison with Joe Namath was perfect.  Why is a boozing skirt chaser like Joe Willie in the Hall of Fame, and Kurt Warner has to win on Sunday to get into that same Hall of Fame?  Doesn't character count for anything in our society anymore?  And say nothing of statistics!  Joe's Super Bowl stats were pedestrian at best.  You can make the argument that era's are different, styles of play are different, and whatever.   Don't buy it at all.

This guy has been to two Super Bowls, and won one.  MVP awards?  You betcha.  Success against LONG odds!  Tons of that.  What's wrong with a guy who appreciates everything he has and gives credit to God instead of himself and his "peeps".  I hate to say this, but Warner is fighting a bias in the media and mainstream culture against the Christian faith and God in general.  If Kurt was caughting screwing around on his wife, constantly self promoting, getting in trouble with the law, and then writing a tell all book that was more opinion than factual, he'd be a first ballot Hall of Fame candidate. 

Come on, this guy and this franchise are the ultimate underdogs!  And this country started as the ultimate underdog, didn't it?  How can you not like this guy and this franchise, at least a little bit?  I'm not saying you have to appreciate Warner's religion, although I would love it if you did, but listen...this team hasn't won any kind of championship in sixty years!  The last time they won a title, there wasn't any such thing as the Super Bowl!  In the dictionary under inept, it says see the Cardinals!  That Bidwell family make Al Davis in Oakland look like a genius, and in case you were curious, Al Davis is a living ad for death!  Have you seen the scarecrow out in California lately?  Yuk....

How'd that Matt Leinart draft pick work out Arizona?  Glad Warner's still around? 

I am...

 

Go Cardinals!  

Comments

Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: February 2, 2009 8:24 pm
 

Warner's a lock!

OK, I would say that I am down for Warner getting into the Hall of Fame. He has good numbers over the years, won the MVP award, and has one a super bowl as well as been to two others. And I like the story of him working in a grocery store or whatever and working hard and to still be successful as an aging quarterback so I wouldn't mind seeing Warner in the Hall. But I have some issues with the other aspect of your argument.

First, the Christianity thing. I don't know how you can say that mainstream society is against Chrisitianity. As far as I'm concerned our society is quite Christian in general, and don't say that nobody recognizes his good works because I believe he won the Man of the Year award at the Super Bowl. Last, what the hell does Christianity have to do with football, does God really care about the sport, I mean I just don't see how playing football glorifies God.

That all being said, his religious beliefs shouldn't be a factor in his going to the Hall of Fame. As far as having good character in general, I think we are too high strung and need to relax. It's called the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the Pro Football and Good Character and Christian Hall of Fame. It's like saying Charles Barkley shouldn't be in the NBA Hall because he got a DUI and because he had somewhat of a potty mouth. He was still a great basketball player.

To conclude, Warner(in a predominantly Christian society) is for sure not being overlooked for being a good human being, if he is, please give me some proof. And Hall of Fame credentials should be based on performance in the NFL without cheating.




Since: Sep 15, 2008
Posted on: January 28, 2009 8:28 pm
 

Warner's a lock!

Thanks for the research.

I didn't have time to look it up but when looking at the list the only two I look at and ask my self questions is:

Moseley and Sipe??  Why do I not know these names. and it is not because I don't follow football.

By the time you answer this I will have the answers of who, where and how.

I agree Gannon will not get in unless the vetern commitee has no outs.




Since: Sep 15, 2008
Posted on: January 28, 2009 8:28 pm
 

Warner's a lock!

Thanks for the research.

I didn't have time to look it up but when looking at the list the only two I look at and ask my self questions is:

Moseley and Sipe??  Why do I not know these names. and it is not because I don't follow football.

By the time you answer this I will have the answers of who, where and how.

I agree Gannon will not get in unless the vetern commitee has no outs.




Since: Oct 22, 2008
Posted on: January 27, 2009 2:00 pm
 

Warner's a lock!

I agree that Warner's post season play should put him in definite consideration.  The guy has an 8-2 playoff record, Farve has a playoff record of 12-10.  Even though Warner's longevity is in question, his good years have been some of the best the league has ever seen.  Second highest passer rating in the playoffs.  Brady, perhaps considered the "best" playoff qb of all time has only thrown 3 more td passes in the playoffs while playing 7 more games.  Sure he has had help from great WR's but you can't knock him for that.  Are people forgetting that he is taking the Arizona Cardinals to the super bowl?  No one takes away from Peyton Manning's career because he has had the most consistent WR core in the NFL.




Since: Apr 11, 2007
Posted on: January 27, 2009 7:28 am
 

Warner's a lock!

To the question whether any former MVP winner has been shut out of the NFL Hall of Fame, the answer is: yes... many!

1968 Earl Morral

1969 Roman Gabriel

1970 John Brodie

1972 Larry Brown

1974 Ken Stabler

1976 Bert Jones

1980 Brian Sipe

1981 Ken Anderson

1982 Mark Moseley

1983 Je Theisman

1988 Boomer Esiason

We'll stop there, because then we start to bump against a lot of guys who have not been retired long enough to earn an induction into the hall (but odds are that you will be able to add at least Rich Gannon to the list above). More to the point, perhaps; there has never been a two time MVP winner who has not been inducted into the Hall of Fame with Jim Brown, Jonny Unitas, Joe Montana and Steve Young inducted, and Brett Favre and Peyton Manning surefire locks when their time comes. The only remaining multiple MVP winner is Warner. In that kind of company, the man will make his trip to Canton.




Since: Sep 15, 2008
Posted on: January 26, 2009 9:46 pm
 

Warner's a lock!

Of Course Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer

 

Warner will get in --because of the his accomplishments of winning big games with teams that are not used to winning!!!

I did't research it but-   Is there a  League MVP who hasn't gotten in???

There are many Superbowl MVP's that will never get in. But whith Warner having :

  1--Won a Super Bowl-Been to 3

  2--Superbowl MVP

  3-- 2x League MVP

LOCK to get in. 

Depending on who is in his class ,  he may have to wait a year of two to get in....  Not a lock  first ballet H.O.F.




Since: Jan 12, 2009
Posted on: January 26, 2009 5:06 pm
 

Warner's a lock!

How about D-Mac?



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Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: January 26, 2009 3:39 pm
 

Warner's a lock!

Yeah so?? You have to put that in context. He played so poorly he had to be benched in 2 seasons and was a backup that couldn't take the job until year 3 in his other season. So he played 4 seasons with some of the best WRs of his generation. Then he sucked so bad he needed to be benched the rest of his career. So because he had 4 years of amazing stats he should be in the HOF? He was a backup for more than half of his 10 years career....in the middle of it!!! That's hall worthy? Man, Billy Volek probably had the best 5 game strech in history a couple years ago. He should be in too.




Since: Nov 13, 2008
Posted on: January 26, 2009 1:37 pm
 

Warner's a lock!

Warner is ABSOLUTELY Hall of Fame, don't worry- in addition to making it to 3 Superbowls, he also is the NFL'S ALL TIME LEADER in career passing yards per game for crying out loud.  Don't let the talk radio "debate du jour" worry you, win or lose not only is he in, but probably first ballot.



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