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Another New Era in Cleveland--Mangini

Posted on: January 8, 2009 11:04 pm
 

Things I like about this move

1. He wasn't my first choice

Hey thats a plus in my book.  I was all for Butch Davis coming to town.  He seemed like the perfect choice.  Winning attitude, winning enviroment, a big name up and coming coach coming to town.  This it what it takes to win.  Alright so importing all of S. Florida to Cleveland to try in play in the snow doesn't work that well.  Then Romeo, well he is our guy.  He is the guy we should have hired instead of Davis in the first place.  He knew the players we had in place.  He coached in the NFL (as a coordinator) for several years and had superbowl rings, not BCS championships.

3 coaches in the new era with the same end result.  A team that absolutely quit on the field.  Sadly, I would say Chris Palmer's "runaway train season"  ender was the best of the three.

Maybe my first choice isn't the best for this team.

2. He is going to run a system very similar to Romeo (they are both Belicheck disciples)

This means we should be able to keep most of the players we already have.  Cleaning house is not the answer.  We have talent, this team can do much better than it showed on the field this year.  Dumping all of our talent puts us back to '99

3. He has head coaching experience in the NFL

...and he has actually won games.  Cowher was up high on my list but no team has won superbowls with two teams.  Mangini was almost .500 with the J E T S jets Jets jets.  The Jets did not look good when he came to town.  Sure they spent some money on free agents but so did we and Mangini had 2 out of 3 winning seasons in a division with the Patriots and a playoff appearance.  He hopefully learned from his past mistakes and can do better here. 

 

Things we now know for the season...

Manigini wants to keep a 3-4.  I know several fans hate this idea and want us to switch to a 4-3.  I really don't care because I don't think we have the front 7 to play either right now.  One way or another we need better players to fill roles.  With a 3-4 I want more linebackers.  A Middle linebacker and an Outside linebacker, preferably 1-2 in the draft.

I think we are okay at d line although I wouldn't complain to see an upgrade there.

cornerbacks are young and improving.  Sure there were a couple of hiccup games in there, but they really held their own later in the season.

safeties I don't see as a pressing need, if Sean Jones resigns.

We are going to run a New England style offense with a guy with West Coast offense roots.

This favors Brady Quinn at QB.  He likes the dink and dunk style, DA can't throw short.  I firmly believe one of the QB's have to go.  2 QB's cause too many problems.  We can get something for DA unless takers realize we will have to cut him if noone trades for him.  His contract isn't outrageous for a starting QB.  Hopefully teams will want to avoid a bidding war.  Hopefully we can get a pick high enough to get a running back of the future (3rd or higher).

It also favors Kellen Winslow, whom Brady seemed to like while at QB.  If we lose Kellen we have a large hole to fill at TE.  I don't know who is healthy and good at that position.

Wide receiver.  We need something to make Braylon catch.  If we get that we are fine here.  Stallworth is almost certain gone, but how does that hurt us we didn't have him this year.  I would like to see a veteran possesion receiver brought in.  Nothing high priced just someone who can catch.

Running back- I would like to see a future back here.  Maybe Harrison can be that guy.  Maybe he is our Priest Holmes since he does seem to scamper off for long runs when he gets the ball.  I am not betting on it.  Jamal wore down this season.  Partly because the safeties were creeping up on him.  He is not strong enough to carry a team anymore.

O-line.  We need some improvement on the right side.  If Tucker can come back that would solve most of our problems.  I can't say that will happen though.  If the right player is there at 2nd round they have to jump on him (if a good linebacker isn't there)

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Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: July 10, 2009 9:17 pm
 

Another New Era in Cleveland--Mangini

Sorry I didn't see this.

Shaun Rogers is an absolute animal on the line and has been moving to all positions since he came to town.  He is surpisingly fast for a big fat guy.  In a 3-4 he can definitely play all 3 line positions.  In a 4-3 I don't think he is suited to be an end.




Since: Apr 16, 2009
Posted on: April 20, 2009 10:29 pm
 

Another New Era in Cleveland--Mangini

Geno,

I like what you got, makes for a good read. I agree with the front 7 being subpar. The one thing I read on sircheeks post is something that I had never heard until I came over to the CBS boards.

Why does anyone think that Shaun Rogers can play DE in a 3-4? 

He's too big, too slow and gets winded to easily to run down a sweeping back or a QB on the roll IMO.

What do you think about Rogers playing end?




Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: January 9, 2009 8:58 am
 

Another New Era in Cleveland--Mangini

The first thing we will learn about Eric Mangini isn't going to be about him. It will be about Romeo Crennel.

There is also the possibility that Romeo is a good coach, but does not work well with the group of players we have.  Hopefully Mangini can be the presence this locker room needs.

With Willie McGinest leaving and Alex Hall potentially seeing playing time, that group should be fine for another year.

To skip ahead to your Harrison comment.  Coaches aren't stupid.  They have to see something we don't know here.  There has to be a reason Hall wasn't in more last season.  I am concerned about Hall, and it is a foregone conclusion that Andra Davis is out as MLB.  He is great in the cold, but his speed hurts him.  He has had a really good career here in Cleveland since being a 6th round pick (I think) several years back.  We need more like him drafted today.  Leon Williams has been unimpressive to say the least.  D'Qwell is the best of our linebacker but will not be confused with the elite linebacker in the league anytime soon.  Wimbley is well Wimbley.  It would be nice to see him go after QB's more since that is supposed to be what he is good at instead of constantly dropping back into coverge.

I leave this as my biggest area of need on the Browns. 

I wouldn't mind bolstering the o line if there are no quality linebackers or running backs available.

I think the secondary would look better with some sort of a pass rush.  Of course the rush 3 and drop 8 is a standard with Mangini as it was with RAC

I didn't go that far.  Several fans have annointed Brady everything from Bernie Kosar to the next Joe Montana.  I would like to see him win a few games and pass for more than 200 yards first.  I have not see that as of yet.  He has very limited experience and scares the crap out of me, because if he fails the Browns total shakedown is on the horizon.

However I do believe Mangini's system favors a QB like him.  This was the problem when Chud took over with Frye and DA.  Chud's system needs a strong armed QB (DA) and not a QB like Frye.  When had to dump Frye because he didn't work in the system.  The chances of DA working is this system also seem to be slim.

The bigger reason for removing one of the QB's in my mind is the fanbase.  With two young NFL staring quality players at QB the fans back one or the other.  The stadium constantly chants for the guy who isn't starting.  They boo the starting QB at every mistake and it ends with us winning more on the road than at home.  This has twice happened since the Browns returned and I don't want to see a 3rd season of it.

In a perfect world we could get a high pick for Anderson.  3rd or higher in my opinion.  He was a probowl QB last year when Braylon only dropped half as many as he did this year.  Who knows what could happen elsewhere.  Takers will know we NEED to get rid of him though so they could potentially wait it out when we have to cut him.

Brady Quinn, as you mention, should thrive if anointed the starter.




Since: Jun 30, 2008
Posted on: January 8, 2009 11:21 pm
 

Another New Era in Cleveland--Mangini

Geno,

The first thing we will learn about Eric Mangini isn't going to be about him. It will be about Romeo Crennel.

Romeo saw the talent available and was unable to field a winning team - particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I've argued with many on this topic, and I do believe it was the coaching, not the talent, that cost the Browns this season. Eric Mangini will have essentially the same roster to work with, so he will be asked to live up to the "genius" nickname immediately.

I was going to wait on doing any team or player evaluations,  but I'll briefly touch on what you've written.

  • With Willie McGinest leaving and Alex Hall potentially seeing playing time, that group should be fine for another year. Davis, Wimbley, Jackson, and Hall could be formidable to say the least. I've heard rumors Andra Davis may not come back with the team. If those rumors are true, then finding an interior linebacker becomes an immediate priority.
  • The defensive line is not only deep, but formidable. Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams need to switch positions - as their playing styles do not fit what they're asked to do. With Shaun and Robaire Smith in the mix, this should be a fine group.
  • The defensive backs are OK. Not great, but OK. The Browns do need a nickle corner, and that should be a veteran free agent.
  • Brady Quinn, as you mention, should thrive if anointed the starter. With Mangini favoring Kelen Clemons in NY, I don't see any reason Quinn should not keep the job going into the year.
  • Harrison is a head scratcher. If he's as great as it seems, why on earth was he still riding the bench? NFL coaches are not that dumb, so we must be missing something as fans.
  • The offensive line does need to be bolstered. There are some quality tackles coming out high in this draft, so I really hope the Browns snag one of those guys.
I'm willing to give Mangini a chance. I've heard good things from the right people, so we have reason to be optimistic :)


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