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Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

Posted on: December 1, 2009 11:21 pm
Edited on: December 2, 2009 8:40 am
 
The Good---

Uhhh immediately following the week, the patented Hines Ward cheap shot landed square on the jaw of QB Ben Rottenberger.  So Ben has a concussion, and Hines completely blind sides him with the crown of his helmet.  Hines calls Ben out for basically not manning up enough.  Tell all the kids out there to lie to doctors so they can play.  I am used to dysfunctional comments from all Browns players.  It comes with the losing.  Just not used to it from Steelers.  In an otherwise crappy weekend it was my only real spot of joy.  Thanks Hines!!

The Browns offense couldn't do much.  The receiving threats are not there.  Still DA played well against this very defense with the same crew minus Braylon Edwards, but that was the game where Braylon didn't record a catch.  He wasn't being doubled all day.  Not an endorsement of DA, I know he is gone after the season, just brings some concern for Brady.  He still has the rest of the season to get something going.

The Bad--

Injuries injuries injuries.  We were a bad team to start the year.  When a bad team loses all it best players to injuries what are we left with?  I kept hearing accolades for the LB we signed off the street to start this week.  No one pointed out they were running for 10 yards a carry.  That is the responsbility of the LB'ers.  We have lost all of our staters save Wimbley, who did look better this season.

Pool's concusion.  You hate hearing, "he will have to consider how much longer he wants to play football".  Brodney was never great, but not a bad 2nd round pick for us.  He was developing nicely.  It would be a shame to end it here.

The Ugly--

The looming blackout.  I don't understand blackouts.  I understand the orginal premise.  No one will go to football games if you can watch it from the comfort of your home and not buy the $10 beers.  Makes sense to me.  As a matter of fact, I started as a football fan who never went to games (when i was a kid).  I now go to 2-3 games a year.  This year I have attended 2.  I just sold my Pitt tickets on eBay and will probably go to the JAX game later on.  What are the chances i go to any games ever if they black out games?  Nill.  Showing the games attracts fans, and brings them into the games.  Blacking out a poorly performing teams leaves fans like me with few options.  I am sure i could find a way to watch the game if i really wanted to.  If the NFL don't want me to watch them, I probably will find something better to do with my time come Sunday. 
Category: NFL
Tags: Browns
 
Comments

Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: December 5, 2009 9:55 pm
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

I admit freely my board is ignoring the players coming out of college.  I don't watch enough college football to say who will translate to NFL and who will not.  My assesssment were based off the the Browns needs.

I agree James Davis did look like the best running back on the squad, then again.,, I am sure there is a Tuba player somewhere that looked like the best running back at band camp.  It doesn't make them good, just better. in comparision, to the crap around them.  The biggest area of need on this team is running back. 

The defense is not great.  It does have some playmakers on it though.  The offense is abso---f'n---lutely pathetic.  They have no one that scares anyone. 



Since: Jun 30, 2008
Posted on: December 5, 2009 3:46 pm
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

Geno,

Let's assume the Browns end up with the first overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft. Seeing as it's near impossible to trade down from that, we'll be locked into making a decision.

Which positions are worth number one overall draft picks? QB, T, and maybe OLB/DE. It doesn't make sense to take another tackle so high. I'm not sure if there are even any tackles coming out worthy of consideration. The Browns have enough linebackers and stand up pass rushers, so the only option that makes sense is quarterback.

Not all rookie quarterbacks start from day one. If they can draft a guy and let him learn on the bench, I'l all for it.



RB-biggest area of need on the team.  For some reason you ignored this position.  Who is our starter next year?  Give me a playmaker here! Unless it's Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson, I'd rather find a running back elsewhere.

Good backs are a dime a dozen. Look at James Davis. He was a 6th round draft pick from Clemson and he ended up looking like the best runner on the team up until the injury. You could go down the list and you'd find good running backs are usually found where you'd least expect.

WR--big area of need.  No QB can be sucessful without someone to throw to.  Don't expect anything for a couple of years from whoever you draft.  I kind of like waiting to see how Mass and Robo pan out. Agree - the Browns should wait and let those two rookies develop. I'm not willing to list it as a big area of concern until we see more of them.

Along those lines, a versatile tight end would take pressure off the receivers and open things up on the outside. I agree that the Browns need another threat in the passing game, however that threat should be a tier tight end - not another receiver.

LB--if our guys come back healthy I think there was significant improvement here.  The other needs are more glaring.

DL- strongest area on the team if everyone is healthy.
I'd say the front seven is one of the deeper areas on this football team. The Browns need to get younger on the defensive line, but the starters have been at least adequate to this point.

CB-absolutely
Really you should change it to DB because a safety is needed as well.
Brodney Pool makes safety a need. Elam is average - a C+ type player. Eventually the Browns will need to upgrade, but there are far more pressing needs on this roster.










Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: December 5, 2009 11:34 am
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

 I'm still convinced that the Browns will draft one of the following four positions in the first round: RT, CB, TE, or QB.


The Browns are picking top 5 in teh draft, unless they trade down.  This is a considerable investment. 

You don't pick a RT top 5 unless you screwed up.  No RT in the league makes top 5 pick money.
TE- 2nd round sure.  Late first round.  Not top 5.

CB-absolutely
Really you should change it to DB because a safety is needed as well.

QB-throwing a rookie into this mess is instant death.  Noone can catch, get open, or take any pressure off the QB.


Here are the positions you are ignoring--
RB-biggest area of need on the team.  For some reason you ignored this position.  Who is our starter next year?  Give me a playmaker here!

WR--big area of need.  No QB can be sucessful without someone to throw to.  Don't expect anything for a couple of years from whoever you draft.  I kind of like waiting to see how Mass and Robo pan out.  Everyone expected Robo to come out like a veteran receiver, guess what he did what ever other rookie does.  He struggled.  I think this position to be filled via free agency.

LB--if our guys come back healthy I think there was significant improvement here.  The other needs are more glaring.

DL- strongest area on the team if everyone is healthy.



In response to "why stick with Mangini?"

Well, at the start of the season what did you expect?  I don't remember any prediction higher than 3-13 for the season.  We traded away K2.  We moved down in the draft to collect extra picks.  Did you really expect any of the moves made to translate to instant wins?  They were all made for 2-3 years down the road.
Do you believe a coach can come in and instantly start winning with what we have?  I am fairly certain bringing in a new coach means getting rid of all Mangini guys and replacing them with his guys.  

Take a cue from the Steelers, give the coach awhile to get his system in place before you scream to fire him.  Constantly changing everything means always losing.  Continuity leads to winning franchises.



Since: Sep 1, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2009 9:59 pm
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

Bud Shaw, highly respected writer with the Cleveland Plain Dealer has seen enough of Mang***...






Since: Apr 16, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 5:35 pm
 

Browns : The Bad, The Worse, The ugly

Look at Mangini's resume. Now explain to me why I constantly read posts from cheeks that defend this dumbass. The Browns don't need to draft a QB. They need to fix the defense or what's the point in having an offense. The offense is full of noname talent(?) and has little chance of becoming a top 10 unit. The Browns can't hang their hat on the offense. Defense wins more championships then offense and at the very least you see that a great offense doesn't win without at least a solid defense.

I'm with Stovell. FIRE MANGINI! It will take more than that to save the team though.



Since: Sep 1, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2009 1:01 pm
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

TE is interesting because its a position critical to Eric Mangini's offensive system. You are obviously mistaken as the word's "Mangini" and "offensive system" do not make any sense used together in the same article, much less paragraph or sentence.  There are no words left in the english dictionairy to describe how inept the Browns are, from top to bottom.  Fish rot from the head down and Mangini took a bad situation and has ruined that.  Oh for the good old days of 4-12!

Mangini Make Romeo look like a hall of fame coach. 

Just who proclaimed this guy knowledgeable about ANYthing that has anything to do with football.

It has already been proven he ruined a top defense in NE the ONE YEAR he was a coordinator.

It is a moot point anyway.  Teams that finish 1-15 don't bring back their head coach.  Name one that has.

And if so, how did that work out for them.

This loser is toast.  His system is truly "offensive" to me. 

But I do agree they should have drafted a RT last year, Michael Oher, who was availalbe and many (who know football, like Peter King) say is playing to all pro caliber. 

It's over.  Mangini is done.  Count on it.  Write it down.  Bet on it. 



Since: Jun 30, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2009 12:14 pm
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

You have convinced me earlier in the year that this regime won't pick a QB in the first round. I'm still convinced that the Browns will draft one of the following four positions in the first round: RT, CB, TE, or QB.

RT should be obvious with the struggles of John St. Clair and the lack of a clear successor.

CB should also be obvious with the Mike Adams/Brandon McDonald tandem being underwhelming.

TE is interesting because its a position critical to Eric Mangini's offensive system. It's hard to find that balanced receiver/blocker combination. Robert Royal hasn't lived up to expectations, Greg Estandia is a good blocker with poor hands, and Steve Heiden can't stay on the field. I believe Mangini had Dustin Keller in NY who he selected in the second round. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns find a similar playmaker at that position early in the draft.

The quarterback decision will depend on the following three outcomes:
  1. How the Browns feel about Brady Quinn
  2. How Brady Quinn feels about the Browns
  3. How the Browns feel about the surrounding talent on this roster
If Mangini believes there is enough talent at the skill positions to bring in a rookie quarterback, then he'll go ahead and do it. I can envision a scenario where the Browns draft a QB high in the first round and bring in a veteran free agent to run the offense.



Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: December 3, 2009 11:43 pm
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

I can definitely state that was not me who made the claim. No, I'm pretty sure you stuck to the Charlie vs. Quinn side of it which was actually a tangent from the real argument.

Quite a bit has changes since then. Of course.  In hindsight, you can see I was right! Tongue out



Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: December 3, 2009 11:20 pm
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

I can definitely state that was not me who made the claim.  Feel free to revisit it.  Quite a bit has changes since then.



Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: December 3, 2009 3:09 pm
 

Browns Bengals The Good The Bad The Ugly

I don't recall that claim FoT. 
I am returning to post 2007 season when the Browns had pieces in place for an offense to grow.  I said DA was up and coming, but recall putting Carson Palmer and Roethlisber higher than him on both the ALL AFC North and the Cleveland Pitt team.  Flacco was still in college and he played much better than McNair.
Brady had much more promise than Batch.   I still believe that.  Batch is an OK back up.  Brady might not be that, but is young enough that he may turn into a good starter some day.  I can very soundly state that Pitt has no plans for Batch to ever be teh full time starter.  If something were to happen to Ben, I would expect them to look elsewhere for their stater, as they did.
Yell

That was never the point of the argument!  The argument started when someone, and I can't recall who, made the remark that the Browns had a "better QB situation than any team in the league", including the Steelers, with DA and BQ.  Regardless of what has happened since then, it was a ludicrous statement.  The Browns had two young, unproven QBs which would hardly be an enviable situation for any team with a franchise passer already on board.

As for this weekend's game, my bad, I thought it was in SD.  That would have been truly horrible scheduling on the NFL's part so it shouldn't surprise me that its incorrect.


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