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Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:26 pm
Edited on: December 10, 2009 8:14 am
 
The Good--

The Steelers lose again, likely putting them out of the playoffs.  Any week where that happens is a good week in my book.

Alright lets get real.  To start the season we did not have superbowl talent on this roster.  We traded our best offensive playmaker (Winslow) for a 2nd rounder.  We had one receiver who scared opponents but he dropped everything in sight.  We were salary cap strapped due to poor signings and roster bonuses.  We paid Donte Stallworth quite a bit this season.  We couldn't sign anyone to fill the obvious holes we had.

Now take that roster and remove the best player (Shaun Rogers), remove the leading tackler from the defense (Jackson), remove the only offensive player that scared anyone (Edwards), remove the 1000 yard running back (Lewis).  Whats left?

This team is literally signing guys each week to come in and play significant minutes.  Guys who were cut by other teams come in each week and play significant minutes.  You can't expect greatness right now.  I would expect the team to look like it did to end last season, or like it did at the start of this season.  Absolutely pathetic.  Not having a chance of winning at all.  They had a chance against a possible playoff team this week.  That is good.

The Sellout streak continues.  Games remain televised for a few more weeks.

Brady continuing to move the offense.  We really don't much out there for him to work with but he made things happen.
Leading receiver?  E Moore, you know a guy that was all set to go announce high school football games in his hometown.
2nd leading receiver?  B. Robiskie, you know that guy that has been inactive most of the season.

The Bad--

Losing running backs out of the backfield.  This has been a problem all season.  This team can't overcome easy TD's like that.

The loses that keep piling up. 

The Ugly--
The Streak.  The Browns have not beaten the Steelers since 2003.  The Browns have NEVER beaten the Steeles in Cleveland Browns Stadium.  This year was the first year that Ben Roetlisberger has ever lost an NFL game in Ohio, but he did it Cincy.  It would be nice if we made it two.
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Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2009 5:53 pm
 

Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

Cheeks

I recall Mangini saying Robiskie needed to contribute in other areas (such as special teams) in order for him to see the field.

That statement means if you want to make the active roster you better do something other than receiver because you are not good enough to make it as a receiver alone.

I don't buy into the argument that Robiskie simply "wasn't ready" to play at this level. Granteed Brian Daboll's system is notorious for its complexity, I would think that anyone, especially Robiskie, would be able to pick it up

I am sorry, when has he lit it up?  Preseason?  I don't remember it.  The games where he came in?  Looked like he couldn't get open to me.  Yeah he wasn't ready for this level.  It is a HUGE adjustment.

Mack is a first round talent.  He had Fraley ahead of him.  He started by having better physical tools and the ability to push the pile that Frayley just couldn't offer.

The Browns got all their rookies into camp on time

Robo held out a bit.  It is a game of inches when you are talking about being the 4th receiver.  Edwards was starting along with Cribbs.  Furrey was too versatile to sit.  That leaves the 4th spot open.  Really there was just a competition between Mass and Robo until they were better than the other receivers. 
1 game Mass looked like he was better than all the other receivers.  The rest of the year he looked like a rookie.

For Quinn

I believe Quinn learned by sitting on the bench this year than he has any previous year.  I believe he realizes he is playing for his professional life right now.  I also believe he is playing much much better than he did to start the year.



Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2009 5:45 pm
 

Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

Wahoo,
Why was I thinking that game was away?  Sorry.  It is fun remember Courtney Brown look like the player we drafted him to be sacking the QB when the Steelers had no timeouts.  Then letting time run out.

The Browns have not beaten the Steelers at home since 2000!!!!   We have not beaten the Steelers since 2003 when Tim Couch looked like the player we drafted him to be.  Can someone please do it again?




Since: Sep 1, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2009 5:08 pm
 

Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

The Browns have NEVER beaten the Steeles in Cleveland Browns Stadium.Geno..

That's not true..

The Browns beat the Steeler in Cleveland in 2000, 23-20...

The Steelers mismanaged the clock and were unable to get the game tying field goal off as time expired.

I know, I was there...



Since: Jun 30, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2009 4:49 pm
 

Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

You earn the right to play in a game by your play in practice and in camp.
I recall Mangini saying Robiskie needed to contribute in other areas (such as special teams) in order for him to see the field.

I don't buy into the argument that Robiskie simply "wasn't ready" to play at this level. Granteed Brian Daboll's system is notorious for its complexity, I would think that anyone, especially Robiskie, would be able to pick it up.

Alex Mack was a starter from day one. There were moments where he clearly wasn't ready to play, but they started him anyway.

I would imagine Robiskie wasn't is much worse of a position than Mack was, especially given the complex nature of Mack's position.



I also don't believe Robo's slightly delayed signing had anything to do with it. The Browns got all their rookies into camp on time, and they all had ample time to learn the playbook while working with both Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn.

Robo is looking better, much as Quinn is looking better.  That is just the developmental process working. For Quinn, I believe it's more an issue of continuity than anything else. There's no question he's growing into the starter's role, but at the same time much of that has to do with consecutive reps with the starter and the first team. Daboll has gotten to know Quinn better, and they've done different things to take advantage of who he is as a quarterback.




Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2009 11:37 am
 

Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

I went back and looked at some old scouting reports on Robiskie. Each report claimed he was very polished and had the intelligence to step in at at least start in the NFL. Prior to week 13, Robiskie had one catch for 23 yards.

I refuted everyone of them.  100's of first rounders couldn't come in and start.  Why would anyone expect a 2nd rounder too?

Robiskie can't learn how to get open when he's not active for the game. I'm not saying he doesn't have the tools to separate or get open, rather, I don't understand why he wasn't afforded the opportunity to show what he can do. He seems intelligent. He seems to be a good route runner. Unless there's something I'm missing, I don't know why Mangini took so long to start him.

This is the Brady Quinn argument from earlier this year flipping the name Robisikie for Quinn.  Games are not practice.  You earn the right to play in a game by your play in practice and in camp.  He held out of camp which put him behind.  His play in practice (this is only specualtion since practices are closed to the public) has been less than inspiring.  I find it hard to believe the coach would sit Robo if he was playing lights out given our WR play during games.  I have to assume he looked worse than the crap we had out there.  Mo Mass has more speed, which is going to make it easier to get separation.  Stucky and Furrey are veterans.  Cribbs is always going to be on the roster.
Robo is looking better, much as Quinn is looking better.  That is just the developmental process working.  It takes time.  You can't expect instant sucess from rookies.  It happens but normally on sucessful teams where veterans can account for their missteps and point them out to the rookies.



Since: Jun 30, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2009 9:42 am
 

Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

The rest are all below 600 yards their rookie year. That's assuming the wide receivers actually see the field during their rookie year.

I went back and looked at some old scouting reports on Robiskie. Each report claimed he was very polished and had the intelligence to step in at at least start in the NFL. Prior to week 13, Robiskie had one catch for 23 yards.

NOT 600...23.

NFL CB's are on a differert level from college DB's I completely agree.

Robiskie can't learn how to get open when he's not active for the game. I'm not saying he doesn't have the tools to separate or get open, rather, I don't understand why he wasn't afforded the opportunity to show what he can do. He seems intelligent. He seems to be a good route runner. Unless there's something I'm missing, I don't know why Mangini took so long to start him.






Since: May 29, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2009 8:50 am
 

Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

we saw Brian Robiskie ...play extended minutes on offense. (he) did well which makes me wonder why (he wasn't) playing earlier.Robo is a rookie receiver.  Everyone and their brother jumped up and said, "he is the son of a coach, he is instantly going to produce in the NFL."  I constantly said that rookies receivers need time to produce.  NFL CB's are on a differert level from college DB's.  He was learning how to get open and to catch with someone holding onto you.  It takes years.  Only a handful of receivers have come out of collge and produced intantly.  Something like 12 in the last 30 years (I don't feel like looking it up again at the moment).  The rest are all below 600 yards their rookie year.  Give him time, he may flop out, he may suceed.  WE WON'T KNOW HIS ROOKIE YEAR THOUGH!


Harrison has been injured most of the year if I recall.  He is only now fully healthy.



Since: Jun 30, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2009 7:51 am
 

Browns Chargers The Good The Bad the Ugly

Now take that roster and remove the best player ( ), remove the leading tackler from the defense (Jackson), remove the only offensive player that scared anyone (Edwards), remove the 1000 yard running back (Lewis).  Whats left? It says something for Eric Mangini and the Browns to lose Shaun Rogers, D'Qwell Jackson, Eric Barton, Brodney Pool, Jamal Lewis, etc and field a team that still some punch left.

Don't get me wrong, the Browns aren't the greatest team, but they're playing with guys off the street and still finding a way to be competitive. These are 3rd and 4th string guys who gave the San Diego Chargers a run for their money. The Browns played the Chargers harder than many of their past opponents.

There are no moral victories in the NFL, but it was reassuring to see Mangini and his coaching staff put together that kind of effort.

The Good-- The players fought hard for 60 minutes of football and that was good to see.

Also, credit Ahtyba Rubin and Corey Williams for playing well against the run. I believe the Browns held Charger runners under 100 yards that game which is partially a testiment to the defensive linemen.

It's also testiment to a Cleveland Browns secondary put together with duct tape and Elmer's glue.

Antonio Gates gained something like 167 yards and most of that was poor safety play along with linebackers who can't make plays in zone.

If it wasn't clear now, the secondary needs to be addressed in the offseason - both starters and backups. I'm somewhat optimistic because Mangini cut his teeth as a secondary coach. He also found and developed Darrell Revis - arguably the second best cornerback in the NFL.

The Good-- Last point here - we saw Brian Robiskie and Jerome Harrison play extended minutes on offense. Both did well which makes me wonder why they weren't playing earlier.


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