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Israeli team attacked in Turkey

Posted on: January 6, 2009 6:28 pm has a chilling account of an ugly incident in Turkey in which an Israeli team was pelted with debris and then rushed by angry fans before a EuroCup game against a Turkish team was about to tip off. editor Jeff Lenchiner spoke with two eyewitnesses, including a member of the Israeli team, Sean Munson, who played college ball at Wagner.

"We are all good and safe," Munson said. "We are in the hotel right now with police outside protecting us.  … We were in the locker room for three hours waiting for the police escort to clear the street back to our hotel. They were throwing coins, pens, lighters, and one shoe during the warmups. We finished the introduction of players and shook the other team’s hands and then it got quiet in the gym for about a minute. Then the crowd rushed the court. The game was seconds from starting.”


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Since: Oct 17, 2006
Posted on: January 9, 2009 7:45 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey


If you want to understand things from an educated standpoint, read this:


Since: Oct 17, 2006
Posted on: January 9, 2009 5:44 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey

Devilsenvy doesn't give a crap about your declaration -- your opinion doesn't make what you think the truth.

Since: Mar 22, 2008
Posted on: January 8, 2009 12:52 am

Israeli team attacked in Turkey

With the power invested in me by the Nevada State Boxing Association I declare gioiosa79 the unanimous winner over devilsenvy (crowd cheering, gioiosa79 standing on ropes with gloves in the air, etc)

Devilsenvy you got completely owned by gioiosa79, I feel embaressed for you, but you live and you learn, right? That is unless you are unfortunate enough to be a kid born in a hospital destroyed by an Israeli missle or something...

The arguement between you two kind of reminded me of this debate between Noam Chomsky and Alan Dershowitz where Chomsky completely owns Dershowitz, Chomsky presents fact and quotes after facts and quotes all refferenced while Dershowitz spits out a bunch of bullshit that may sound good of you are not paying attention (like some tired juror in the OJ case) but is actually completely hollow and lacking in all substance, maybe you should check it out:

Devilsenvy is so obtuse he is almost 180 degrees (haha)

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: January 7, 2009 9:29 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey

jsport- yes I will clarify- and I apologize for the way the post sounded.

I would be as upset if Israeli or players of Jewish background were attacked- absolutely. My point was intended to be how random violence can be. An American or Canadian plays in Israel and suddenly they find themselves in the middle of the storm. I have a daughter who is a world travel- I always fear she will find herself in the middle of a battle that is not of her making. She plans to spend next Christmas in Israel and has recently spent 4 months in Africa. She was on my mind when I posted as well as many friends who have played hoops overseas- no political motivation- just guys who love the game.

And yes, if something had happened to the team, the tragedy would have been as great if Israelis were killed or if Canadians/ Americans were killed.

I hope this clarifies.

Since: Dec 20, 2006
Posted on: January 7, 2009 8:57 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey

That's what I was looking for the first time, so thank you.  However, you do realize that Hamas is the democratically elected political party of the Palestinians, correct?  Accordingly, simply referring to them as a terrorist organization (as the MSM does) because it is beneficial for Israeli and US public relations undermines and demonizes the will of the Palestinian people.  Somehow it is only Hamas, or Hezbollah, that conduct terror and Israel gets a free pass from the MSM.  I also have a problem with the "human shield" argument as, under the circumstances, is very loosely used.

Israel has not obeyed any portion of the 1967 treaty that dvided Israel from the Gaza and the West Bank, as it contiues to put up settlements on Palestinian land while making it almost impossible for the most bare necessities to reach the Palestinian people, which are all internatonal crimes.

Regardless, the US media has been incredibly one sided in its coverage of the events.  If you would like to see a good documentary how this is done, you can watch Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land.

And, yes, we can both agree on the hope for peace.  However, that will not happen until the Palestinian people are given some sort of their land, life, and dignity back.  Anyway, please watch the film.



Since: Oct 17, 2006
Posted on: January 7, 2009 7:49 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey

Let's be clear: Because I don't agree with your standpoint doesn't make me uneducated.

Sure, the Israelis went over into the Gaza Strip -- technically violating a four-month cease-fire -- but they did it with the sole intention of targeting a Hamas "ticking" tunnel dug from inside a Gaza home -- evidently more proof that Hamas use civilians for cover (for anyone who wants to pay attention to basic details) which they had strong reason to believe it would be used to capture Israeli soldiers. I agree it looks bad to do that kind of an operation four months into a truce, but it's better to be safe than sorry when it comes to pinpointing a danger. And don't be so naive thinking Hamas aren't plotting attacks during cease-fires. Israel's actions on Nov. 4 weren't random acts of killing as you frequently allude to; they were calculated to prevent an attack.

Anyways, a cease-fire just provides Hamas more time to increase its strength for the next round of terror. So, in essence, a "truce" term means nothing more to them but a pause before resuming the violence. And please take notice that I said Hamas, not Palestinians.

For what it's worth I know people from both sides (Israelis and Palestinians) and guess what? Neither are fans of Hamas. But what do we know, right? You are the so-called expert on this subject. I won't ruin your glorious parade, which apparently has little to do with Hamas and more about Palestinians vs. Israel. This is the issue you choose to bring back up, which obviously stems from your admitted resentment toward Israel.

giosiosa79, this back and forth stuff is getting pointless since we won't convince each other of anything. So, let's respectfully agree to disagree. But I'm sure we can agree on the hope for peace on both sides. Take care...

Since: Dec 20, 2006
Posted on: January 7, 2009 6:52 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey


Very true.

Other dude that lacks knowledge on the subject,

I didn't catch a misspelled word.  I caught you saying the wrong word - and a very basic one, at that - while trying to be a smartass discredit what i wrote as "ignorant."  I was just pointing out that it sounds pretty stupid to call someone stupid when you are too stupid to even know what you are writing while calling the other person stupid.

Anyhoo, while you have called my argument "skewed," you have yet to make any argument to the contrary whatsoever.  In fact, you did not - probably because you cannot - dispute anything that i said; you just said i was ignorant, whcih you obviously cannot backup without parroting pure US mainstream media rhetoric.

I never denied the pain and terror the people of Israel have felt.  However, the pain inflicted on them is nothing more than blowback from Israeli occupation and ensuing settlements on Palestinian land.  Please edumacate yourself a little.

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: January 7, 2009 5:36 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey - Sad follow up

I mean that it is sad that fans would react in a dangerous or threatening manner to a sports team that has nothing to do with a nation's political or military policies.  It is sad that FIBA would schedule games in areas that would put players at risk because of inappropriate actions of fans in the arena.  It is sad that people have sunk so low that we can't distinguish between the source of something that makes them angry and a symbolic entity that may share a name or flag with that source but not have any control over the conduct of the source.  The Greece Olypmia roster, the Israeli Hapoel roster, and the Turkish roster include many, many American college players who didn't get drafted in the NBA and chose to play overseas instead of in the NBA D League.  Adam Haluska from Iowa and Roger Powell from Illinois (played with Deron Williams and Luther Head) are among MANY Americans on these teams that were effected by the original hostile display at the game in Turkey or the follow up game in Jerusalem that the Greek team refused to travel to for safety reasons.  The Turkey/Isreali game is supposed to be rescheduled and FIBA is silent on it in their news reporting.  The Greek team had to forfeit, and may be subject to further FIBA sanctions for refusing to go to Jerusalem.

Just like NBA teams have players from around the world, so now do the FIBA teams, including many American college players who get a chance to play pro ball in other countries.  If someone has a problem with a country's policies, go protest at an embasy, not in a gym.  It is sad that athletes, regardless of where they are from, become targets of hate due only to the uniform they wear.  It is totally inappropriate.  It is also unfortunate that FIBA schedules games that could be moved or postponed when there is a military action going on in the region; however, if people with such hate can behave in threatening ways, it may become even more difficult for athletes to find any venue in which they are safe.  And THAT is SAD.

Since: Oct 17, 2006
Posted on: January 7, 2009 5:32 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey

Good job. Way to spot mispelled words, fella. Your argument is still skewed as is your point of view toward Israel. And no one has mentioned anything about hating Palestinians; you did. It's funny how you have to make things up to make your case...

Since: Dec 20, 2006
Posted on: January 7, 2009 4:13 pm

Israeli team attacked in Turkey

So, hating Palestinians (as well as having zero clue of its history) is ok, but it's not to question Israel?  Nice one, buddy.  And what's wrong with using independent sources that have spent their entire lives studying the subject instead of those whose voices are controlled by corporate interests?  Oh I see, I should do like you and just parrot whatever the MSM, as well as the US and Iraeli governements say. 

Your comments are just a standard use of unsubstantiated rhetoric.  Please come back when you actually have something of substance to contribute.  Until then, leave your rhetoric to your fellow sheep..

And I think the word you were looking for is "reek", not "wreak."  You may want to check your own ignorance before pointing out others. 


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