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Amare for Jefferson?

Posted on: June 18, 2009 11:42 am
I hate to keep being that guy. You know, the guy who takes a perfectly delicious and sensible trade rumor and swats it into the fourth row like Dwight Howard. Sadly, I am stopping by the BergerSphere once again just long enough to ruin your day.

As with most trade rumors this time of year -- or any time of year, frankly -- any discussion of a trade between Phoenix and Minnesota involving Amare Stoudemire and Al Jefferson is premature. According to a person with knowledge of the situation, here's how this one went down. Suns and Timberwolves officials had a discussion at the pre-draft camp in Chicago that went like this: Phoenix expressed interest in Jefferson. Minnesota indicated that it would be highly unlikely it would be willing to do a deal involving Jefferson. Phoenix asked to be informed if that were to change.

That's it. Just another day on the pre-draft rumor mill.

There will, I promise you, be some actual trades that occur between now and draft night. After the first pick -- Blake Griffin to the Clippers -- the jockeying to move down is palpable. The teams positioned from 2-7 -- Memphis, Oklahoma City, Sacramento, Washington, Minnesota, and Golden State -- have varying degrees of desire to trade out of their spots. The one team that has expressed only a lukewarm desire to trade out is Sacramento, and the Thunder aren't 100 percent averse to using their pick -- although GM Sam Presti doesn't need another young guy. Memphis, according to a source, likes Tyreke Evans and Stephen Curry, though not necessarily with the second pick. In a deep but not very top-heavy draft, the Grizzlies are said to be interested in moving down as far as No. 7. That's the theme heading into the last weekend before next Thursday night's draft. According to a team executive involved in the process, "Nobody wants to be the guy who takes somebody at [No.] 3 and passes on the next Michael Jordan at [No.] 7."

My radar tells me the Knicks are up to something, and a rival team executive confirms that New York is the rare example of a team that would consider moving up -- in this case, for either Curry or Ricky Rubio.

Strap on your trade rumor hats and give me the best you've got. The keys are on the table for a couple of days while I regroup after the Finals. Any trade rumors, reports, suggestions, or proposals that you post here will be answered.


Since: Mar 28, 2008
Posted on: June 22, 2009 12:38 pm

Amare for Jefferson?

@hnk ... friedland would be a jordan farmar-type ... deceptively quick and, well, just plain deceptive ...

Since: Mar 26, 2009
Posted on: June 19, 2009 12:47 pm

Amare for Jefferson?

OTHER Options for Minnesota!

1) Hire a really good coach to soothe the player hurt from loosing McHale.
2) Trade Love for a Center as he is a duplicate of Jefferson (but will never be as good as Jefferson) and Love still has value
3) No great bigs in the draft so find a servicable center or get Gortat, Darko, Kwame, someone to fill the spot and keep Jefferson from having to bang Yao, Shaq and these other monster centers on D.
4) Need a serviceable Point Guard -- Bassy is only a backup on a good night, Later in the draft there will still be some and there will be plenty of free agent point guards after this draft.
5) Need a go to Wing either SG or SF, Miller, Gomes are backups right now.  Foye is too small for SG and can't guard anyone, trade him.  Tyreke Evans should be a great pick with the 6.

Don't keep getting rid of good players.  Our nucleus is young and the west teams are getting older, San Antonio, Phoenix, etc.

Pistol Pete

Since: Mar 22, 2007
Posted on: June 19, 2009 12:02 pm

Amare for Jefferson?

Dude - PHX is going nowhere, and according to you are "nothing" b/c they didn't make the play-offs either.  Why would Al want to change to a team on the edge of starting over/rebuilding when he is already on a team that has been in the rebuilding process for a couple years?  The Wolves should begin to improve this year and hopefully make a run for the play-offs this year or next.  They have tons of picks and will have cap space this year and next.  PHX will be hanging out at the bottom for several years unless they get lucky.  Don't see Al wanting to go there, and nobody here wants Amare.

Since: Jun 19, 2009
Posted on: June 19, 2009 11:54 am

Amare for Jefferson?

What about Chris Bosh going to the Bulls. 

Since: Jun 14, 2009
Posted on: June 19, 2009 11:29 am

Amare for Jefferson?

Amare is fools gold. He's not nearly as good on other teams as he is on a team like Phoenix. He is a 15 & 8 type guy (if he decides to actually make an effort at boxing out). He is worth a 1st round pick and Noah. Only because Noah is a bum and a headcase. Deng and Thomas are too much to give in that trade with a 1st rounder.

Also, Ben Gordon is far superior to Wayne Ellington. They are both one dimensional, but Ben can create anything for himself and makes plenty of shots with the pressure on. Wayne Ellington reminds me of another UNC shooter. Hubert Davis. Ellington might be a couple shades better an athlete than Davis. But, once he hits the NBA, he will be way outclassed in terms of athleticism.

Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: June 19, 2009 11:25 am

Amare for Jefferson?

Al Jefferson is a player who is very comparable to someone like Pao Gasol.  Very good intangibles and in the right circumstances can be a key player.

On the other hand, Jefferson is not a #1 guy whom you can build your team around.  Just as the Memphis Grizzlies tried erroneously to build a team around Pao Gasol and ended up getting knocked out in the first round of the playoffs every time they made it that far, the Wolves would suffer a similar fate if they decide to build around Jefferson.

But, hey, don't take my word for it.  Like I posted earlier, Wolves new GM David Kahn even admitted that Jefferson is a #2 guy on a championship caliber team.  Sometimes I think Wolves fans hope and pray that he's a superstar and the next KG, but that is simply not the case.

Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: June 19, 2009 11:16 am

Amare for Jefferson?

Jefferson for Amare is a good team for Phoenix.  They get a more complete player, offensively and defensively; than Amare.  I'm quite sure Amare would not want to stay in Minny with no shot of getting out of the basement of the league.  But that is another story.  Jefferson would likely welcome the trade.  Playoffs is better than nothing; and Minny is nothing.  This would be great for Al because he would also get more recognition.  He is a great player and gets little to no attention for it.

This move would be a reason to keep Nash for another run.

As for the Cavs, BringIt24, I think their best bet is Shaq signing.  This is a one year deal for a championship.  And it quite likely could work.

Cavs/Rockets in Finals next year.  TMAC/Lebron  Shaq/Yao.  That would be great entertainment.  Assuming all guys are healthy; of course.

Will be an interesting off season.

Since: May 15, 2009
Posted on: June 19, 2009 10:56 am

Amare for Jefferson?

It's hard to say this coming off such a bad year but I really think the Timberwolves just need to sit pat and see what they have on their hands before starting over again.  The reason I say this is that they had a really nice stretch in Janaury when they got McHail as coach and Big Al was still healthy and they ended up having the best record in the NBA in Janaury.  I think they need to attempt to build on that this year and see if this nuclus can ever reach the playoffs.  Plus Big Al was happy to sign long term here and seems happy in Minnesota where it appears from afar that Amare is much more high matinance.  Brewer is entering his 3rd season as a make or break year as we have seen nothing from him, but if (and this is a major if) he could develop into a solid 5th starter/6th man and play defense and contribute on the offensive end then I think this team can challenge for a play-off spot this year.  Let me know what you all think.

Since: Sep 9, 2006
Posted on: June 19, 2009 10:32 am

Amare for Jefferson?

What are your thoughts on the Hawks Draft? It is my OPINION that the ONLY thing they should be looking to draft is a TRUE point gurad. Grab him now and let him learn from Bibby. Not a shooting PG like Acie Law, who in my opinion will never be anything more than a bench shooter. So I guess what I mean is, grab someone like Lawson or Flynn. True PG's and real leaders. Other than that I dont think the Hawks need any more kids. They need to start solidifying that lineup with some solid, expierienced vets. A couple guys that have a few playoff runs under there belt and preferrably some brusing fowards. A true BIG would be nice but good luck with that right. I know this may sound crazy but I wouldnt hesitate to package both those picks if the vet player in return was the right fit. Only if they couldnt get to Flynn or Lawson that is. Which as its starting to look, they wont. Anything?

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 19, 2009 8:50 am

Amare for Jefferson?

AJ has far more upside, and a much better work ethic. He is the future 4 in this league. Unstoppable in the post. Amare isnt as talented beyond his dunkling ability

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