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Celtics: Rondo on the block?

Posted on: June 23, 2009 5:02 pm
Even when a reputable, tireless, connected NBA reporter comes out with a trade that was discussed -- and goes to great lengths to make it clear that it was discussed and went nowhere -- the story is met with derision.

This is why the trade deadline and the draft are my least favorite times of year. It's hard enough to separate the fact from the fiction. When facts get thrown in the paper-shredder with yesterday's mail, it becomes even more confusing.

Fact: The Pistons and Celtics discussed a trade whose primary pieces included Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen going to Detroit for Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey, a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed to Also fact: It never got to the point of being discussed by the men who ultimately would've made the decision, Danny Ainge and Joe Dumars.

Also fact: This is the way it was reported by Yahoo! Sports Tuesday -- as a dead-end proposal that went nowhere. And yet everyone comes out of the woodwork now to say what a bad idea it would've been for both teams.

No kidding. That's why it didn't go anywhere.

"Very preliminary," was how my source described it.

But this is the world in which we live. It's great and thrilling and competitive, and it's also quite stupid sometimes.

But I digress.

The fact that the names Allen and Rondo would even be discussed in a Celtics trade scenario tells you something. For one, it tells you that teams are willing to discuss trading anybody, no matter what they say. Discussing and doing are two very different things. But it also tells you that the Celtics, who meandered through the wilderness for years before scoring Allen and Kevin Garnett in two perfect-storm trade scenarios, have no desire to get lost like that ever again. And when you look at some of the numbers on their books going forward -- Garnett and Paul Pierce owed more than $40 million in 2010-11 -- you can understand why they'd at least discuss a scenario that would soften the landing.

But when I see Stuckey's name in this scenario, I'm not so sure it was the Celtics who walked away before elevating the discussion to the top executives. The Pistons traded Chauncey Billups because A) It gave them massive amounts of cap space; and B) They had Stuckey. Can't see them trading him now. 

For his part, Ainge met with the Boston area media at the Celtics' training facility in Waltham, Mass., Tuesday morning and got right to work debunking the Pistons trade talk.

"I've heard speculation we're dissatisfied with [Rondo]," Ainge said. "We're going to trade him because he was late for a playoff game? That's not true. The first criteria that any trade rumor has to pass: Is it going to help us win a championship this year?"

Ainge, who has the 58th pick in the draft, also said this, according to the Celtics' official Twitter page: "Most of the players in the first round I wouldn't trade for J.R. Giddens or Bill Walker."

Ouch. A lot of future D-League All-Stars and slam-dunk champions available, which explains why almost every team in the top 10 after the Clippers is looking to trade down.

Basically, it is why every team is willing to explore anything over the next 48 hours.

"It could be crazy," one Eastern Conference GM said of the trades that could go down Thursday night.

One way or another, it always is.


Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: June 24, 2009 11:12 am

Celtics: Rondo on the block?

Berger must get paid per story even if it lacks a point or credibility or readers' interests.
It's much more likely that he gets paid by the comment...whoops, I guess he fooled you.

Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posted on: June 23, 2009 11:32 pm

Celtics: Rondo on the block?

Are you smokin crack? Prince is the only piece of this trade thats intrigueing. with the Celts need for some length, I might have thought about this trade

Since: Jun 2, 2009
Posted on: June 23, 2009 9:39 pm

Celtics: Rondo on the block?

C'mon, the Celtics would make that trade in a heartbeat, but Joe D is way too smart for that.  I'd rather have Rip and Stuckey over Rondo and Allen straight up, let alone with Prince being included. 

Since: May 12, 2008
Posted on: June 23, 2009 8:48 pm

Celtics: Rondo on the block?

your right besides paul and williams and maybe parker whos older i wouldnt move rondo for any other pg in the league

Since: Jun 5, 2009
Posted on: June 23, 2009 8:40 pm

Celtics: Rondo on the block?

Yeah this a true slow news day blog. Who discussed this trade if ainge and dumars didn't? the ball boys or janitors??? why is this even worthy of being written if no big brass even discussed it? me and my friends have discussed trades involving the suns while watching them play live, is that worthy of being written about or does that count as a source close to the team if i am physically within 100 feet of steve kerr in the US Airways Center? give me a break.

and danny ainge is full of crap if he really said that he would have difficulty trading walker or giddens for most first rounders. giddens didn't even dress in the regular season let alone the playoffs and he was the first rounder last year (maybe the worst pick of the draft and i'm a new mexico basketball fan!). walker was an idiot for leaving early too, i can't really think of a first rounder that i wouldn't trade for either of those guys.

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 23, 2009 7:54 pm

Celtics: Rondo on the block?

The trade on paper is very intriguing. Basically the trade would be based on what Boston believes Stuckey can become. His potential is huge but Rondo is probably the 3rd best all around point guard in the pros. Hamilton and Lewis are pretty close, though Hamilton is more of an all round player. Prince is a nice piece to have on any team if not required to do too much. I really think both Boston and Detroit would be afraid t pull the trigger on this trade, too many high profile players are involved and the event of a bad decision would haunt both Dumars and Ainge. Good talk before the draft though. Basketball gossip is sort of a dead item until the draft.

Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: June 23, 2009 7:16 pm

Celtics: Rondo on the block?

Like the pistons would trade their whole team for rondo and allen!? Who the heck thinks up this crap.

Since: Feb 14, 2009
Posted on: June 23, 2009 7:05 pm

Celtics: Rondo on the block?

He's a NBA writer and its the offseason. Until the draft, he has absolutely nothing to write about. Give the guy a break.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 23, 2009 6:31 pm

Berger is SO weak

This guy is a joker. Because these names were even uttered, if it even happened, it's worthy of a story? Berger must get paid per story even if it lacks a point or credibility or readers' interests. It's 90 seconds I'll never get back. 

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