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Rubio to Knicks? "No"

Posted on: June 27, 2009 1:23 am
Reading between the lines is a favorite pastime when it comes to the Knicks. Anything remotely resembling a clue that the NBA's supposed flagship franchise might acquire one of basketball's hottest commodities results in endless speculation, twisted interpretation, and innuendo.

See the entry under James, LeBron.

Now see the new entry under Rubio, Ricky.

Meeting with the media at the Knicks' Westchester County training facility on Friday, team president Donnie Walsh mentioned that he planned to call his former employee, Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn, to find out why he drafted so many point guards. And yes, Walsh coyly stated, Rubio's cold response to being drafted by the 'Wolves and his probable return to Spain as a result would be discussed.

I shudder at the thought of viewing the back pages of the New York tabloids on Saturday. For one, it's my first day off in a long time. For another, Rubio most certainly will be pictured there. If not for Michael Jackson, Rubio might be on the front page.

As I tried to tell you on draft night, there's no need for this. Kahn isn't trading Rubio. He's not going to be a Knick, no matter how much agent Dan Fegan wants him to be. This should be the end of it.

Except ...

Hot items like Rubio have a long shelf life in the basketball-starved New York news cycle. And yes, things change. Circumstances change. People have a right to change their minds. But as of now, Kahn believes in Rubio so much that he's willing to wait a year or two for him to come out of exile in Spain. And the Knicks like their first-round pick, Jordan Hill, just fine.

"Kahn thinks Rubio is the best point ever," a knowledgeable, high-level basketball source told me. And the Knicks? Coach Mike D'Antoni, the person said, "loves Hill. Both stay put."

Just to make sure, I asked the same person early Saturday if anything had changed or was expected to change based on Walsh's planned conversation with Kahn.

"No," he said.

OK, then.

But just to satisfy the endless thirst for a splashy move by the Knicks, what is the best they could offer Minnesota in such a deal? Not Hill, but restricted free agent David Lee, who has received a qualifying offer from the Knicks and can be signed-and-traded after the league and NBA Players Association agree on the 2009-10 salary cap and luxury  tax in mid-July. Last time I checked, the Timberwolves have Al Jefferson. No disrespect to Lee, but Jefferson is better.

Yes, things change and circumstances change. And people have the right to change their minds. But as another high-level basketball source (note sarcasm) said as one of the media availability sessions ended during the NBA Finals: "Move along. There's nothing to see here."


Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: July 1, 2009 10:22 pm

Rubio to Knicks? "No"

i dont think the rednecks know where south america is lol

Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: June 29, 2009 8:43 pm
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Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: June 29, 2009 7:59 pm

Rubio to Knicks? "No"

Your a moron and a racist. He is from SPAIN HE IS SPANISH YOU TOOL!!

Since: Dec 14, 2007
Posted on: June 29, 2009 6:18 pm

Rubio to Knicks? "No"

I wouldn't mind adding Rickey Rubio to the Knicks, but like on draft day, only if the price is not too high.  I agreed with the Knicks plan not to trade Wilson Chandler and rather they kept David Lee and Nate Robinson.  But, if Lee and/or Robinson has to be signed and traded, I rather the knicks got a young and valuable player, see Rubio, in return.  If not, Duhon is very serviceable.  The Timberwolves were smart in drafting Rubio since they own his rights FOREVER and can decide if to trade him and to ask for the moon in return.  It is a no lose situation for the Timberwolves, but a loss for Rubio.  I still think the drafting of Jordan Hill was the right move as well.  The trade to the Lakers for the 29th pick, the guard out of Florida State, was a nice pickup as well, especially for insurance.  My only concern is with not having a 1st round pick next year, having Isaih Thomas trade it away to the Jazz a few years ago.  Oh well, the price we have to pay for Thomas' reign.  Glad that is over.

Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: June 29, 2009 4:24 pm

Rubio to Knicks? "No"

At the very least Rubio compares to Jason Kidd.  His court vision, ball handling and leadership are way beyond most 18 year old prospects.  More importantly, like every 18 year old he will fill out and at 6'5", 210 he will be a good-sized PG.  Plus, he shot well on threes last year.

And don't forget, lots of players piss and moan about what team drafts them, much less a kid who already has four years under his belt playing pro ball, albeit it in Europe. 

Wait and see how things go before we condemn or annoint Rubio.

I, for one, hope he plays in the NBA soon.

Since: Mar 28, 2007
Posted on: June 29, 2009 3:07 pm

Rubio to Knicks? "No"

you are an idiot.  "nba basketball is more structured than" european basketball?  that is a dumb thing to say.  It has already been established that european basketball is more fundamental than the playground NBA.  I don't know if Ricky Rubio is going to be a star, but the kid is this good at 18 YEARS OLD!  his potential is limitless.  he is small.  HE IS 18 YEARS OLD and played in the olympics.  He played against the "redeem team" and looked pretty damn good doing it.  Even Chris Paul (he sucks, too, right?) said that Rubio is ready for the NBA.  people love to hate people.  Ricky Rubio is EXTREMELY talented at a VERY young age and, while no one knows if he will be a star in the NBA (even you, genius), to discount his talent is idiotic.  Grow up and quit making asinine statements on a topic you obviously are ill-prepared to comment on.

Since: Jul 1, 2007
Posted on: June 29, 2009 2:45 pm

Rubio to Knicks? "No"

I love how Berger talks about the Timberwolves saying they won't accept David Lee because they already have Al Jefferson. Last year, I was excited to see Kahn and Co. draft O.J. Mayo, but then I saw him get traded away for a 6'10" PF who is just a better passer in Kevin Love, but is not nearly as strong on the boards or in the paint offensively as Al Jefferson. They are both 6'10" PFs. Also, David Lee is 6'9" however they have Ryan Gomes and Craig Smith playing prominent roles for this team as I think they are mediocre at best. Also, David Aldrige thinks that the Knicks can do a sign and trade with their two big time RFAs in Nate Robinson and Lee to try and "land somebody special". If they actually do a sign and trade with both Lee and Nate, I would have to assume they would both want around $7-8 Million a year; I don't know if that is a good assessment to make, but lets say that is true. Lee and Nate in a package deal would result in roughly $15 Million. To work financially, the Wolves would have to fork over two players like Brian Cardinal/Etan Thomas and Ryan Gomes along with Ricky Rubio to make the deal about as even finanacially for the two sides. Also, I would think the Knicks would give a conditional first round pick, if Rubio really is that valuable to Kahn. Bottom Line Berger, Kahn is an idiot. He should have kept OJ Mayo because he is the real deal at SG, but instead he traded him away for a poor man's version of Al Jefferson, although he is a better passer out of the post. Kahn would be in talks with anything that is attractive to him and even though Rubio is his poster child, it'll be money thrown down the drain with Rubio becuase he will not re-sign with Minny after his contracts runs out after, what is pretty much a threat by Rubio, to play two years overseas rather than playing in Minnesota. I saw them draft 5 guards that are 6'4" or under, good think they traded two away.

Nothing is a definite but Kahn is a moron. Walsh, if he is serious about acquiring Rubio, could piece together a nice deal; something like 2010 First Rounder, David Lee, and Nate Robinson for Ricky Rubio, Brian Cardinal, and Ryan Gomes (which Cardinal and Gomes are off the books by the 2010 offseason. Even trade when you think about it. Minny gets rid of two tweener SF/PF type guys in Gomes and Cardinal. Gomes is an OK player but the only reason why he plays is because they really have nobody. They have a bunch of overpaid big men on that team. at least get rid of two of them and receive a talented guy in David Lee who could come off the bench and be a sixth man canditate, getting 10-10 every night, off the bench. Nate Robinson takes over the Rubio role. Kahn thinks Rubio and Johnny Flynn can be a Danny Ainge and DJ type of backcourt where they can both score and distribute the ball, taking turns up the court. Not the case. Flynn and Rubio are both distributors. Flynn is a better scorer than Rubio but both are stronger distributors than anything. I don't see how Flynn and Rubio can be a scoring/distributing backcourt tandem. Add nate Robinson for Rubio, however, then yes Johnny Flynn and Nate can take turns up the court distributing the ball and be scoring threats. Though Robinson is 5'9", he is a good scorer and slasher for his size. I can see that tandem on the court at the same time for a good portion of the game, but never Rubio and Flynn. Of course, Nate Robinson would be starting over Flynn and would be having probably Rodney Carney and and healthy Corey Brewer at the 2 and 3. Have Flynn and Lee be strong players off the bench and now you have something going on here. Guys like Gomes, Cardinal, Smith and Etan Thomas are slowing up this T'Wolves team. Trade some of them for some quality players and start going some places. New York wouldn't care if they Cardinal and Gomes in return, as long as they get a future PG in Rubio to run the D'Antoni system for this potential beastly 2010-2011 team (LBJ and Bosh anybody? haha). It would be GREAT for both teams. However this is just hypothetical, not a rumor by the way. Lineups:

PG- Nate Robinson
SG- Rodney Carney
SF- Corey Brewer
PF- Kevin Love
C- Al Jefferson
6th Man- David Lee
Role Player- Johnny Flynn
Role Player- Free Agent SG?

New York in 2010:

PG- Ricky Rubio
SG- LeBron James
SF- Wilson Chandler
PF- Chris Bosh
C- No idea, Rookie Center? Veteran FA?

Since: Jun 29, 2009
Posted on: June 29, 2009 2:24 pm

Rubio to Knicks? "No"

Ricky Rubio needs to stay in Spain. Int. player or not he does not want to stay in Minn. because his Mommy says it's cold. Does his Mommy it's cold in NY? If not she need's to check the weather channel. It's players like this that need to be banned or fined from the leauge beacuse you don't like the team that drafted you. KG got big pay checks there!

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: June 29, 2009 11:51 am

Rubio to Knicks? "No"

...and I think there's this guy named Manu playing for San Antonio...word is he's a decent player.

Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: June 29, 2009 10:47 am

Rubio to Knicks? "No"


It is a nice list of players but you have to admit that these are all role players. After the top 3 that were mentioned the list isn't very impressive. Even if you insist that these are all stars that would be less than 1 per team. Last I checked not very good odds.

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