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Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

Posted on: July 1, 2009 7:26 pm
Edited on: July 2, 2009 1:00 am

The Detroit Pistons struck first Wednesday, getting commitments from their top two free-agent targets, Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

Gordon agreed to a five-year, $55 million deal, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. Villanueva also agreed to a five-year deal in the $35 million range -- or slightly above the anticipated mid-level exception of $5.6 million per year -- a person involved in those discussions said. The exact figures won't be known until the deals are signed on July 8, after the league and players association agree on the salary cap and luxury tax for the 2009-10 season.

After firing coach Michael Curry Tuesday, Pistons president Joe Dumars acted swiftly in targeting Gordon and Villanueva with the salary-cap space produced by the controversial decision to trade Chauncey Billups to the Nuggets for Allen Iverson and his $22 million expiring contract last November. But the signings posed two potential problems: 1) There isn't enough room in the same backcourt for Gordon, Richard Hamilton, and Rodney Stuckey; and 2) The Pistons will no longer be major players in the much better free-agent summer of 2010.

Not able to afford another miserable season for the mere chance that a big-ticket free agent would come to Detroit in '10, Dumars decided to strike now. The Pistons were among only a handful of teams with significant cap space this summer, and thus could dictate which players they pursued. Next summer, they might've ended up on the periphery of the excitement when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and others were looking for not only money, but also a championship-ready roster to join.

The Pistons don't have a championship roster, but they did have money. As a buyer in a seller's market, Dumars obviously felt the time to act was this summer, not next.

The backcourt logjam lends credence to the idea that Dumars isn't finished shuffling the deck this summer. Some league executives have speculated that once Dumars landed Gordon, a prolific scorer who doesn't do much else, he would begin exploring trade possibilities for Hamilton. That's somewhat ironic, given that Hamilton's contentious relationship with Curry led, in part, to the coach being fired after only one season. Hamilton has four years and nearly $50 million left on the extension he signed shortly before Billups was shipped to Denver and the demolition of the Pistons began. Moving Hamilton would give Dumars a Gordon-Stuckey backcourt, which presumably either Doug Collins or Avery Johnson -- the two front-runners to succeed Curry -- would find intriguing.

UPDATE: As he did with the Sixers' job earlier in the offseason, Collins has pulled his name out of consideration for the Pistons job, according to a person familiar with the situation. Johnson now has an unobstructed path to the job.




Since: Feb 26, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2009 1:35 pm

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

All of you who support Ben Gordon...

Look at the comments of Bulls fans.  How many actually wanted Ben Gordon to stay?  Not too many.  When you watch him play everyday, he will drive you crazy with his lack of defense, terrible shot selection, and lack of passing the ball.  Basketball is more than just statistics and how players look on paper.  He is a very streaky shooter who, yes, will have his hot streaks, but the cold streaks happen far too frequently.  He often kills momentum with his ridiculous fast break three point attempts and ruins chemistry.  I'm not saying he's horrible at basketball, I'm just saying he is bad teammate and is overrated as a basketball player.

Since: Jan 11, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2009 1:17 pm

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

A potential Line up

C: ??
PF Charlie V
SF Ray Allen
SG Ben Gordon
PG Rajon Rando

Not a bad young lineup. Charlie V is only like 24, Rando too. SF is obviously a position they will address, and I heard they are after a C

Since: Jul 2, 2009
Posted on: July 2, 2009 12:49 pm

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

Good move getting Villanueva, but Ben Gordon is the most overrated player in basketball.  I'm from Chicago and have seen him play terrible defense, show no signs of even knowing how to pass the ball, all while having terrible shot selection.  Its pretty easy to score 20 points per game if you shoot every time you touch the ball.  However, if he comes off of the bench to provide instant offense he can help a team like Detroit, I just think a 6th man shouldnt make $55 million. 

Since: Mar 18, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2009 11:24 am

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

Upon further review, the Pistons will probably not trade anyone.  They are attempting to resign McDyess.  Gordon will come off the bench as a scoring machine, playing the old Vinnie Johnson role and look for the Pistons to play a lot of three guard sets with Rip playing defense on the small forward.  Starting unit looks like Stuckey, Hamilton, Prince, Villueneva and Maxiell, McDyess or Brown starting at center, possibly Oberto.  The Bad Boys played a lot of three guard sets with Laimbeer and Buddha or Mahorn banging inside.  Also thinking that with, thank God, Collins out of the running that Avery Johnson is the front runner and Laimbeer as the top assistant, which would be great for him to coach the young big guys they have in team defense, rebounding and toughness.

Since: Oct 7, 2008
Posted on: July 2, 2009 11:21 am

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

Maybe that Celtics deal is back on with Rodney Stuckey and Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince to Boston for Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen

Since: Aug 26, 2008
Posted on: July 2, 2009 11:13 am

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

Her is what will Make these moves By signing Gordon,and Villenueva Good signings. First we will sign Avery Johnson as our head coach. Second we will sign Mcdyess and trade Mcdyess, Rip,and Tayshaun for Amare Stoudemire. If this move happens we might even try to sign Free agent Gortat who would have to believe we would be contenders and Joe  Dumatrs would show why he should never be doubted!!!!! Used to be consensus that the west was the strongest. With all the moves being made with Cleveland maybe getting Artest and already have Shaq, Orlando getting Vince Carter and possibly signing Rasheed,and Baston already a Powerhouse in east. My question is does the east finally get the respect they deserve, If all these moves are made to sign the players stated in this post?

Since: Mar 29, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2009 10:58 am

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

Farewell Ben Gordon. Yes the Bulls lose 20 points a game, but if you would just be willing to play average defense I'm sure the Bulls would've gave you the paper you sought years ago. Hopefully the Pistons' team defense can cover up your individual defensive issues.

Since: Dec 12, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2009 10:44 am

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

I agree that the contract is too much for Gordon, but considering what he passed up in Chicago a couple years ago it makes perfect sense. 2 years ago he and Luol Deng denied 5 year $40 mil contract extensions when the options for their rookie contracts expired. That was 2 years ago when Deng was considered a rising star at the small forward and Gordon was still coming off the bench. It would be inconceivable for Gordon to go from declining that kind of money when his value wasn't terribly high to only getting modestly more than that when many GMs desire his scoring. All in all, I never was terribly impressed with Gordon's consistency or Deng's desire to develop. Though Gordon's shooting will be missed in Chicago, I think that in the long run the Bulls will be ok without him as long as they can find a way to get a decent shooter to complement Rose. Also, they may feel that they already have that player in Hinrick as he is a decent shooter and could play a combo guard position. Nonetheless I would feel a lot more comfortable if the Bulls got someone else who can shoot (possibly Von Wafer?). If the Bulls don't go out and try to add a shooter via free agency or trade, I still think that they should improve because their chemistry should get better meaning that they will be able to make do with Brad Miller shooting occasional jumpers and a healthy fast break offense led by Rose and whichever big man wants to run the floor with him (ideally Tyrus Thomas). Anyway Go Bulls!

Since: Jul 10, 2008
Posted on: July 2, 2009 10:36 am

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

Great move by the Pistons locking up 2 of the biggest free agents! Dumars was smart going after guys this year instead of next, cause alot of the free agents will resign with their respective teams and alot of teams will have more money to spend next year, this year only the pistons, OKC and Memphis had alot of cap space. Pistons are a center short of competing in the EastHow about trading hamilton and one or two others to Toronto for Bosh then give Bosh a new deal, with hamilton's contract gone they could afford Bosh. Pistons will be an instant contender in the East and getting alot younger too. They would get rid of all there players in the 30's Wallace, Hamilton, Mcdyess, and Chauncey. When you look at the Iverson trade it looked bad last year but now they got Gordon, and Villanueva for Billups cause of iverson's 22 million salary expiration. I think Toronto would be willing to move Bosh since they know he wont resign with them next year. As far as coaching options please dont sign Avery Johnson the guy drives me absolutley nuts, he is an intense coach but he's not the answer here. That starting lineup will be looking strong Stuckey, Gordon, Prince, Villanueva, Bosh those guys could play with Orlando, Boston and Cleveland.

Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2009 10:13 am

Pistons agree with Gordon, Villanueva (UPDATE)

I like the move, Gordon can do more than he has had to, needs to start.  Charlie is decent, an upgrade at least.  Both Tay's and Rip's days are numbered.
Villanueva should go on Ebay and buy Magglio's hair and use as eyebrows.

2010 Free Agents, Lebron and DWade will not come here, that leaves Bosh, and I'm not sold that he is a true superstar to build around.

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