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Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Posted on: July 3, 2009 10:54 pm
Edited on: July 4, 2009 12:37 am
Hedo, we have a problem.

Hours after agreeing in principle to a five-year contract with the Trail Blazers, free agent Hedo Turkoglu abruptly ceased negotiations and appears headed to the Toronto Raptors, a person directly involved in the negotiations told

"Hedo is headed to Toronto," said the person, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks. "To sign."

But after a whirlwind day in which Turkoglu and his representative, Lon Babby, gave a verbal commitment to sign with the Blazers -- or were done in by what one rival executive termed "too many leaks and not enough info" -- determining Turkoglu's final landing spot is best left to those getting the signatures.

The situation was rapidly unfolding, and it was unclear Friday night whether Turkoglu had second thoughts or Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo swooped in and played his trump card -- the fact that Turkoglu and his wife were said to prefer landing in Toronto. As word spread that Turkoglu had agreed with the Blazers after meeting with coach Nate McMillan in Orlando on Wednesday night and touring the Blazers' facilities on Thursday, the Raptors were pursuing three separate avenues that would have precluded making an offer for Turkoglu. They were engaged in talks with Cleveland about a sign-and-trade for guard Anthony Parker, and were making progress on re-signing two of their other free agents -- Shawn Marion and Carlos Delfino. A person familiar with all three negotiations said Delfino's deal was closer to completion due to ongoing debate in the Toronto front office about Marion's value.

The person involved in Turkoglu's negotiations with Portland used the word "reneged" in describing the nature of the impasse. Babby, who earlier in the evening had cautioned that there was "nothing yet" in terms of finalized details of a contract, did not return phone messages or emails after the talks broke down.

UPDATE: The details of how Turkoglu would wind up with the Raptors were sketchy. But given the fact that Toronto had already engaged in discussions about re-signing Marion and Delfino -- with varying degrees of progress -- left open the possibility of a more complicated sign-and-trade avenue. That would entail multiple parties signing on, including the Magic, who have quietly stayed in the background of Turkoglu's quest for a new home after acquiring Vince Carter from the Nets last week to protect themselves against losing him. Such a scenario could drag on for days because of the moving parts involved, and the person familiar with Turkoglu's decision to spurn the Blazers for the Raptors did not know the details of how it would be worked out. The simplest option on the table was for Toronto to renounce the rights to Marion, Delfino, and Parker and use the $9-$10 million in cap space for Turkoglu.

UPDATE: It is believed that Turkoglu's preference for Toronto was not the only factor. Another person familair with the situation said Turkoglu wasn't the right fit for the Blazers and that the two sides had "different priorities." As always, money played a role, according to another source. By renouncing Marion, Delfino, and Parker, the Raptors could exceed Portland's offer by about $800,000 annually. It wasn't clear Friday night whether Portland drove a harder bargain after seeing Toronto's options dwindle; whether Colangelo swooped in with an 11th-hour bid; or whether Turkoglu's camp simply had second thoughts or believed it could get a better deal from the Raptors.

If anything was clear in this bizarre negotiation, it was that Turkoglu's discussions with the Blazers were irreparably broken.

"It's called an agreement in principle," one source said in describing the agreement between Turkoglu and the Blazers, without elaborating. It is believed that the last player to reneg on such an agreement was Carlos Boozer with Cleveland in 2004.

No agreement between teams and players during the weeklong free-agent negotiating period is binding until deals can be signed on July 8, after the NBA and players association agree on the salary cap and luxury tax for the 2009-10 season.


Since: Jul 4, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 4:10 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

I smell some BIG sign and trade happening here - very possible that he may end up in Detroit as part of a multi team trade.

Since: Nov 6, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2009 3:50 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

huge idiot...derived from american culture? pretty sure that Toronto is the farthest thing from american...Well...your american atheletes do like coming up here for a romp with the call in terms of sleezy hos I agree...Toronto emulates the disease poll that is called New York...chalk one up for u..haha

Since: Jan 16, 2007
Posted on: July 4, 2009 3:24 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

And you're an idiot.

Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2009 3:10 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

FARMBOY-----I am going to break down the stupidiest comment ever made to you. When I go to Canada, I feel like I am still in any American City. Like Chicago, New York, Philly, Baltimore or Boston. Thats what I mean by that. People in Toronto lifestyle derives from Urban American lifestyle. When you compare Toronto to any city in Canada, it has more of a feel of American lifestyle than the rest of Canadien cities. North York is a region in the City, but it has the highest Crime rate in the City which is not reported in statistics. When statisitics of NYC crimes come out, it includes the borough of the Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Long Island, COney Island etc. Toronto has the same structure as NYC, but only report Central Toronto from Yonge St to the boarder of North York. Yeah toronto is the safest city in the NBA but their crime rate is bias excluding North York.

Most people in Toronto do not care about the NBA, the care about HOCKEY. The little people that follow the NBA only follow the Lakers or the Celtics. I know so, I been at Hockey night in canada on saturday. You saying Sam Mitchell walking to his waterfront apartment, well nobody knows who he is expect die hard fans in toronto. Is the same thing as me living in Washington,DC and see a Calgary coach riding his bike or walking to his apartment, i follow hockey but not that well to know all coaches. TOronto is a hockey city and not everyone will know who Sam Mitchell and Carlos Delgado is, so they can get away without hiding themselves.

Since: Mar 24, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2009 2:57 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

that does mean he's clutch..with no time left...but missing for 47 minutes..just shows he sucks

Since: Jul 4, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 2:40 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Frankly Im glad as a blazer fan that we didnt sign hedo.  I was saying all along that he does a lot of the same thing as Roy, only roy does it all better.  Hedo is bigger, but slower and not nearly as good on D.  Yes he can shoot, but if theres anything the blazers DO have right now, its a bunch of shooters.  They do need to pull the trigger on the andre miller deal or get another solid vet PG.  good riddance to Hedo, because martell should develop into a pretty good player and Batum is a defensive monster, obviously much better then Turkoglu.   Spend money on the positions we do need, not some overpaid overhyped player.  Good luck toronto, because he wont make you a contender; you will still get squashed by Boston, Cleveland and Orlando.

Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2009 2:08 pm

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Soopafly, that is the stupidest comment ever made.  "Toronto is more American than Canada?"  Huh?  Have you even been to American cities? Have you been all over Canada? North York isn't a neighbourhood, it's a HUGE region within the city.  Oh, and for comparison, Chicago is similar in size to Toronto.  Chicago had over 500 murders in 2008.  Toronto had 70.  Also, there are less break-ins, violent crimes, less assaults.  Toronto is possibly the safest city in the NBA.

I once saw, former head coach, Sam Mitchell walking to his waterfront apartment. When Carlos Delgado played for the Jays, he rode his bike through the city on a daily basis.  Do you think that could happen in a place like New York?  (Maybe in Portland, but it's five times smaller than Toronto.)

Welcome north, Hedo!  I hope it's true.  Should make for a nice starting five, that will give most Eastern opponents trouble.  The Raps starters could have that best speed & size combo in the conference.


Since: Aug 23, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2009 1:41 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Hedo is clutch, its just not shooting a basketball.  That's why Sacremento let him walk years ago.  He's going to a loser organization, with loser players.  Thanks Hedo for nothing.

Since: Jun 28, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 1:34 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Hedo was the Magic's MVP during the playoffs and was a major factor why they made it to the finals...he has the ability to create his own shot, decent shooter, great passer with average rebounding skills...and he can play multiple positions...he created matchup problems for the Celtics and Cavs and will be a great addition in wasn't about the extra 3 million dollars, it was about being in a city that is much like NY...he gives the Raps a much needed second scorer and the Raptors when healthy would have been a playoff team...the Raptors will have a very good starting 5, now the question is how can they improve the bench with little money available to them so they can compete with the Magic, Cavs and Celtics...we will see how good Bryan Colangelo is now

Since: Jul 4, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 1:22 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

WOW Turkeyglue pulled a carlos boozer move!  Thanks Turkeyglue that means Shawn Marion and Parker will be coming to Cleveland!

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