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Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Posted on: July 3, 2009 10:54 pm
Edited on: July 4, 2009 12:37 am
Hedo, we have a problem.

Hours after agreeing in principle to a five-year contract with the Trail Blazers, free agent Hedo Turkoglu abruptly ceased negotiations and appears headed to the Toronto Raptors, a person directly involved in the negotiations told

"Hedo is headed to Toronto," said the person, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks. "To sign."

But after a whirlwind day in which Turkoglu and his representative, Lon Babby, gave a verbal commitment to sign with the Blazers -- or were done in by what one rival executive termed "too many leaks and not enough info" -- determining Turkoglu's final landing spot is best left to those getting the signatures.

The situation was rapidly unfolding, and it was unclear Friday night whether Turkoglu had second thoughts or Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo swooped in and played his trump card -- the fact that Turkoglu and his wife were said to prefer landing in Toronto. As word spread that Turkoglu had agreed with the Blazers after meeting with coach Nate McMillan in Orlando on Wednesday night and touring the Blazers' facilities on Thursday, the Raptors were pursuing three separate avenues that would have precluded making an offer for Turkoglu. They were engaged in talks with Cleveland about a sign-and-trade for guard Anthony Parker, and were making progress on re-signing two of their other free agents -- Shawn Marion and Carlos Delfino. A person familiar with all three negotiations said Delfino's deal was closer to completion due to ongoing debate in the Toronto front office about Marion's value.

The person involved in Turkoglu's negotiations with Portland used the word "reneged" in describing the nature of the impasse. Babby, who earlier in the evening had cautioned that there was "nothing yet" in terms of finalized details of a contract, did not return phone messages or emails after the talks broke down.

UPDATE: The details of how Turkoglu would wind up with the Raptors were sketchy. But given the fact that Toronto had already engaged in discussions about re-signing Marion and Delfino -- with varying degrees of progress -- left open the possibility of a more complicated sign-and-trade avenue. That would entail multiple parties signing on, including the Magic, who have quietly stayed in the background of Turkoglu's quest for a new home after acquiring Vince Carter from the Nets last week to protect themselves against losing him. Such a scenario could drag on for days because of the moving parts involved, and the person familiar with Turkoglu's decision to spurn the Blazers for the Raptors did not know the details of how it would be worked out. The simplest option on the table was for Toronto to renounce the rights to Marion, Delfino, and Parker and use the $9-$10 million in cap space for Turkoglu.

UPDATE: It is believed that Turkoglu's preference for Toronto was not the only factor. Another person familair with the situation said Turkoglu wasn't the right fit for the Blazers and that the two sides had "different priorities." As always, money played a role, according to another source. By renouncing Marion, Delfino, and Parker, the Raptors could exceed Portland's offer by about $800,000 annually. It wasn't clear Friday night whether Portland drove a harder bargain after seeing Toronto's options dwindle; whether Colangelo swooped in with an 11th-hour bid; or whether Turkoglu's camp simply had second thoughts or believed it could get a better deal from the Raptors.

If anything was clear in this bizarre negotiation, it was that Turkoglu's discussions with the Blazers were irreparably broken.

"It's called an agreement in principle," one source said in describing the agreement between Turkoglu and the Blazers, without elaborating. It is believed that the last player to reneg on such an agreement was Carlos Boozer with Cleveland in 2004.

No agreement between teams and players during the weeklong free-agent negotiating period is binding until deals can be signed on July 8, after the NBA and players association agree on the salary cap and luxury tax for the 2009-10 season.


Since: May 13, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2009 11:15 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

such a wimp get over it orlando screwed up they took vince carter a worn out injury prone athlete over a new fresh up and coming athlete like turkoglu get over it the magic screwed up big time

Since: Apr 14, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 11:11 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Hey can't get everyone. Raptors for 14 years have been losing great young American players to US teams. Many up here are also concerned that we will lose another fine American player next summer in Bosh. Finally, we have a manager that realizes he can build a great team with whats left from the rest of the world. So we have Calderon,  Barnagni, and now Turkoglu and maybe we can pick up  Varajao and trade for Rubio. I will take my chances with the World players with NBA caliber tallent if the greatest American players refuse to stay in Toronto.

Since: Mar 21, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 9:07 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Don't really care if its about money, family or just basketball. This is the process tha the NBA set up and sometimes folks look foolish and are made to be unhappy. This is one of those times.

Since: Aug 15, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2009 8:28 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

This could be HUGE for the Toronto Raptors... to now acquire someone like Turkoglu who can not only score and shoot, but handle the ball and even rebound (has good size), the Raps would be certainly making strides towards a definite playoff berth next year and even a potential run in them if they can acquire another big man to compliment Bosh this off season. GO RAPTORS GO! Looking forward to seeing Colangelo's next move... it truly is something I love about him as a manager is he does not settle for mediocrity, which of course is the label you could stamp on the season that just past for the Raptors. He knew that they needed to make some moves in the offseason to keep up with the rest of the powerhouses in the Eastern Conference and so he's going out and trying his best to make those moves, instead of sitting back and being passive, like the Raptors' managers in the past have often done.

Since: Jul 3, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 8:01 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Actually it wasnt all about the money but rather how much he prefers a world class city like Toronto over Portland.  If this is too much for you to handle than you and the other whiners should stop reading articles related to Hedo, since im sure just hours ago you were building this guy up as a saviour.

Since: Jul 3, 2007
Posted on: July 4, 2009 6:27 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Yeah, nice move Hedo...  Pass up being a key part of a title-contending team for the next 5 years, or take $800,000 a year more and go to basketball purgatory...  Enjoy not winning games, you moron...  It's a shame too, because he would have been a huge pickup for the Blazers... 

Gotta love it when it's all about the money... 

Since: May 3, 2007
Posted on: July 4, 2009 5:35 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

I would be more inclined to take this argument seriously if you actually knew Greg Oden's name. And when you pull the two best players out of one draft after starting the day without a top 3 pick (Roy, Aldridge) yes, that makes you a good GM.

Since: Feb 5, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2009 2:45 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Batuuuuuummmmm shaka laka!

Since: Feb 5, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2009 2:40 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Give me Martell Webster and Nicolas Batum over Hedonist Turkey Glue any day.

They want to be here and he doesn't.

They can shut him down, so bring it, beotch.

Since: Jan 9, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2009 2:18 am

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

I have got to give Brian Colangelo a lot of credit for going after Hedo Turkoglo on the 11th hour.  While it seemed like the Raptors were content with re-signing Shaun Marion - I think they had a big reality check when Marion reportedly was looking for 5 years at $50 million as a minimum in negotiations.  In my opinion (as well as many sources scoured around the net), Marion doesn't have nearly any chance of attaining a deal of that magnitude from any other team.  Therefore, the Raptors would have been taking a big chance offering such a lucrative contract offer to Marion.  This deal shows Chris Bosh that Colangelo is serious about improving the roster, and it seems that Mr. Bosh is very happy about this reported signing (as seen on his twitter response: "IF IT'S TRUE..Let's get it cracking H Turk!!!")

For those interested his twitter is at:

Anyway, in the end, Colangelo will have to be creative in completing the depth of the roster by having to renounce the rights of Parker and Delfino, a situation that reminds me a little of Boston's predicament just two years ago.  On the other hand, there is no question that with a healthy Jose Calderon going into the season, their starting lineup can be quite good:
PG: Jose Calderon
SG: DeMar DeRozen
SF: Hedo Turkoglu
PF: Chris Bosh
C:  Andrea Bargnani
You can't say Colangelo's not trying!  Intriguing signing to say the least! Wink

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