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Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

Posted on: September 15, 2009 6:41 pm
Edited on: September 15, 2009 10:44 pm
 
Stephen Jackson's $25,000 fine for "public statements detrimental to the NBA" would be funny if it weren't so bogus in a fun police sort of way.

First, if $25,000 fines were assessed for all statements detrimental to the NBA, I'd be in trouble. Also, the world would be without poverty. All that fine money donated to good causes would be enough to feed everyone.

Second, I realize that technically players aren't allowed to publicly request trades. But really, what else would anyone write or talk about in the month leading up to the trade deadline if that rule were enforced in the strictest sense? The league's press release reminds us that Ron Artest was fined in 2005-06 for publicly requesting a trade. OK, that's one down and about 199 players to go.

I don't recall Kobe Bryant getting fined for his numerous public trade requests in the summer of 2007. (He wasn't.) Memory doesn't serve me on whether Allen Iverson was fined for demanding a trade in Philadelphia during the 2006-07 season. The league's thinking is that those players didn't directly, explicitly, and in so many words ask to be traded. But everyone knew what they were doing. (In Iverson's case, one theory is that he didn't go to the media with his trade demand; he went to the team and it leaked to the media. In Kobe's case, the official explanation for why he wasn't fined was that he recanted so quickly after making the trade demand.) 

This is all kind of silly, anyway. Overall, I'm OK with the fine -- as long as we call this what it is. It seems to me that the NBA is fining Jackson so that coach Don Nelson doesn't have to. Nellie doesn't want to cross one of his best players, and this way, Jackson can be mad at the NBA and not his coach. Makes sense to me.

One more thing: I don't understand how publicly requesting to be traded is detrimental to the NBA. Isn't that part of what makes the NBA fun?

UPDATE: Upon further reflection, here's the other side of that argument: In the year leading up to the most recent collective bargaining agreement, which was ratified in 2005, whiny players making public trade demands had become somewhat of an epidemic. So the league warned the players' union that it was going to begin cracking down on such statements, arguing that they hurt the image of the league. A few selfish, bratty players were painting the entire league with that brush. Now, when Jackson's fine seems to come out of nowhere, maybe that's because the league has been successful in curbing the public sniping. Me? I still find it fun.
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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: September 17, 2009 10:57 am
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

Your entire post contradicted this.  It said you have to be a star to do it though.  And I think that's Berger's point - the punishmentis inequitable across the league


That's life.  Why can't people understand that not everybody is equal?  You really think that Stuckey on my team the Pistons would and should get the same breaks that Kobe gets? Honestly?  Maybe in your perfect world yes, but not in reality.  That's just not how things go in the world we live in.  Everybody is not equal. In the NBA the players don't all have the same value to the NBA. Is that really that hard to understand?

Here's a scenario I want you to think about.  Lets look at professional basketball in Greece for a second. The owner of a team called Olympiakos is so rich he makes whoever the richest owner in the NBA is look like a food stamp collector.  He can, and has said he would offer up to 50 million dollars per year in salary and perks with most taxes taken care of to secure a Kobe or Lebron.  If the league upsets Kobe and he retires and takes an offer in Greece just to spite them, who gets hurt? That's right. The NBA will lose MILLIONS !!!  If Jackson leaves the NBA, what does the NBA lose?? NOTHING ! I doubt very much even his team would suffer because of it.....

So we are not all equal and never will be, not even us normal people at our jobs.  I've worked in positions where people had advantages over me in the past but because they were better then I was I had to suck it up. At my current job for the last 2 years I've enjoyed perks that literally not even one person I work with has ever had.  Is it unfair to them? Sure. Have some complained? Absolutely.  Do the owners care at all? Nope.

That's life.... embrace it, it'll make you all better people.



Since: Sep 5, 2008
Posted on: September 16, 2009 2:38 pm
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

Players are all superstars in their own minds.  They deserve the big long term contracts with the unbelievable signing bonuses and all that goes with them.  Then someone else signs a bigger contract or gets a bigger bonus, and now all of a sudden they are unhappy and want out of the contract.  If all this kind of action is allowed by the players union, why can't the owners then void the contracts for the players that don't live up to the standards that set the contracts?  Oh the unions would have a cow if XXX player was told his contract is void because his scoreing or rebounding is down and not quite up to the standards any more.  Owners need to have the to tell these loosers to act like men and live up to what they sign, and the players union should be right behind them.



Since: Jun 18, 2009
Posted on: September 16, 2009 2:23 pm
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

The NBA has always had a double standard.... The Superstars and then the rest of the players....

Why doesnt someone ask Stern the real reason Jordon left basketball for two years? Or ask the girl in Denver how her self esteem is after the Kobe affair?

Jackson will never get a fair shake in this league nor will Artest after the big brawl they got in.

He signed a contract extention last year after Mullins wouldn't give it to him, Jackson went behind his back and the Idiot team president Rowell gives him a 4 year contract now remember this is the same Idiot who wouldn't resign Baron Davis.

If Nellie is involved ....no wonder he has never won a championship as a coach.  The rumor out here is the chemistry in the locker room was horrible last year and it had really nothing to do with the players it had to do with Nellie.

The Warriors need to make a change with our coach....Keith Smart is ready to coach this team but with the GM being Nellie's buddy and longtime friend don't hold your breath.

The NBA has always ignored the Warriors...We have the greatest fans in the NBA does the NBA care? When was the last time we had a Allstar on our team? Last year we had the best 3pt shooter in the league do you think he gets an invite to the 3 pt shootout?

And last but not least the Warriors have the worst management in the NBA will someone please call Larry Ellison and ask him to buy this team?



Since: Mar 23, 2009
Posted on: September 16, 2009 12:52 pm
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

How can saying he doesn't want to play for the Warriors and Nelson be even remotely considered "detrimental to the NBA"? It's not like he said "The NBA sucks and I want to go play in Europe". Not wanting to play for the Warriors and Nelson is a pretty common occurrence - remember Chris Weber and others. However, it wasn't very smart of Jackson to go public with his feelings rather than quietly going to the Warriors to request a trade. His contract extension makes a trade hard enough for a player of his age and historical baggage. Now that teams know he wants out, the Warriors are not likely to get an acceptable offer for him. He may be doomed to play for the Warriors for the life of his contract, or at least wait until the mid-season trade deadline and hope that a contending team decides it needs someone with his talents for the final push. Also, I don't think that the question of inequity existing in the treatment of certain players is even debatable - especially regarding the treatment of "superstars" versus "bad boys". Particularly in the NBA, the "superstars" get highly preferential treatment from the league, the media, and most glaringly the referees.



Since: Jan 14, 2009
Posted on: September 16, 2009 11:20 am
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

And Carlos Boozer wasn't fined by anyone (yet) for going on radio shows and saying how much he would like to play for the Bulls with Luol Deng and Derek Rose and the Heat with D-Wade.  But somebody got to his agent (Beans Pelinka) and told him to tell his client to shut up if he wants to get out of Utah because he's driving down his value.  Actually, the Jazz said he has a contract for one more season in Utah and they expect him to be a professional and honor that contract and the parties will go on from there. 



Since: Apr 4, 2008
Posted on: September 16, 2009 6:41 am
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

Well I don't agree that it's bad for the game...the game transcends all the crybaby theatrics (soap opera) that we fans have to put up with.  It is, however, bad for the teams (owners) who lose some leverage ($money$) when a player publically demands a trade.  This puts the owners in a bad spot, so the player is fined for speaking up against the system.  Fines are used to punish unwanted behavior.  Therefore the player is fined when they speak out.  There are players (the "favored ones") who can from time to time avoid this punishment because they're actions aren't considered detrimental.  Kobe makes the NBA (and the Lakers) A LOT of $money$, so his comments are washed over and the owner (Mr. Buss) looks the other way.  That's just the way things work.  I'm not saying it's right.  It's just the way it is.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: September 16, 2009 4:56 am
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

It is detrimental.  If you have guys playing for clubs who publicly say they don't want to play with them, it's bad for the game. 

Also, it's a new season, and while anyone with half a brain may know that GS is bad.. being public about it to the point of demanding a trade is not good for that team.  The league obviously wants optimism going into a season with each team (even if it's clear they're bad), and not this kind of crap.

The league doesn't want anyone to have the impression that players aren't playing their hardest either.  While some guys may very well still play 100% while asking to be traded, it certainly makes people think about that.

It's fun for us to talk about tribes, it shouldn't be something the players talk about publicly.



Since: Jan 31, 2009
Posted on: September 16, 2009 12:15 am
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

So what you're saying, Evelyn, is there is a double-standard. The EXACT same thing Berger is saying-except you are ok with it.
Treat the star players with no rules, and screw the rest of the league-right Evelyn?

You might want to read your babbling idiot post before you click "submit"next time. 



Since: Nov 30, 2007
Posted on: September 16, 2009 12:04 am
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

If opposing teams know that a player wants to be traded, or a team wants to trade a player, it significantly decreases their value.  Look at what happened to the Pacers when they made public their intention to trade Jamaal Tinsley:  no one wanted him.  Every team out there that might have been interested just thought "hey, we'll just wait until they buy him out."  Same goes for Jackson.  If a team knows he wants out, they won't offer as much to get him because Golden State already has incentive to take the deal.  That's why the fine makes sense.  Jackson was stupid for publicly commenting because in decreasing his trade value, he decreases the likelihood of a trade happening.



Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: September 15, 2009 11:02 pm
 

Nellie ... I mean, NBA ... fines Jackson (UPDATE)

As a long suffering follower of the Warriors I agree with your comments. I'm not a fan of the Warriors because after all who is a fan of losing. Is it any coincidence that most of the players who are always wanting out of a bad situation are of bad character? I think it is safe to assume that Corey Maggette and Elton Brand will want to leave their respective teams in the near future. No, i'm How do we change this thung mentality of "me me me". A brilliant man once said "Winning fixes everything!". If the Warriors want to convince Jackson that they are a good team to play for then they have to do a better job of drafting players and getting them to produce sooner. Jackson was a big pain in the butt before he came to the Warriors, but when the Warriors were winning Jackson wasn't whining or crying. He was having fun. The Warriors are not winning much so Jackson has alot more time to whine and cry. I suppose that it is good that Elton Brand did not sign with the Warriors. He totally ruined the Sixers team chemistry and style of play. The very dysfunctional Warriors would be a colossal nightmare with Brand. I wonder if Baron Davis still feels that playing for the Clippers was a great idea. I know money talks, but eventually being known as a loser can be too much to bear. The Warriors might have been losers, but at least they were fun to watch. No one has ever said that about the Clippers. The article mentions that Nellie wanted to fine Jackson, but he couldn't. So instead he got the league to do it. If anyone wasn't convinced how absurd this article was then that statement would have clued them in. Nellie doesn't fine players. He never does and he never will. It's "management's job to do that. He is the coach and not the GM. We all know what should happen to crybabies, but David Stern is not "man enough" to do what needs to be done. Speaking of which, Roger Goodell isn't much of a disciplinarian if he lets a convicted felon return to football with serving a suspension. Sure killing dogs doesn't count as murder but could Jolly Roger at least pretend to be tough? I can't believe that I'm saying this, but Gary Bettman is the best commissioner in the 4 major sports, but not by much.


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