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Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)

Posted on: July 12, 2010 10:36 am
Edited on: July 13, 2010 12:13 pm
A cautionary tale for teams doling out millions to free agents in 2010: In some cases, it's only a matter of time before those same free agents are dumped overboard at a discount.

Case in point: Hedo Turkoglu, the most sought-after free agent of 2009. After leading the Magic to the NBA Finals, Turkoglu flirted with the Trail Blazers before landing in Toronto for five years and $53 million. Twelve months later, the Raptors unloaded the disgruntled forward in a three-team trade with Phoenix and Charlotte.

So much for Turkoglu leading the Raptors anywhere but rebuilding.

The trade expanded into a three-team arrangement Monday, with the Raptors getting Leandro Barbosa from Phoenix and Tyson Chandler and Boris Diaw from Charlotte while sending Jose Calderon to the Bobcats, a person with knowledge of the deal told The framework is pending a trade call with the NBA office later Monday, the source said.

UPDATED 12:20 a.m. ET: But Yahoo! Sports reported early Tuesday that Bobcats owner Michael Jordan was having "second thoughts" about participating in the deal. Jordan's reluctance came after players in the deal had been informed they'd been traded, and it imperiled all but the initial Turkoglu-for-Barbosa portion of the trade.

UPDATED 12:13 p.m. ET: The Toronto Star reported Tuesday afternoon that the Bobcats portion of the deal is dead , nixed by Jordan's concerns.

In the make-believe world of NBA trades, this one actually makes sense. The Raptors get rid of Turkoglu, who was never happy with his role in Toronto, and get a playmaker in Barbosa with only a one-year commitment. They use a portion of the $14.5 million trade exception received in the Chris Bosh sign-and-trade to make the deal pass muster under the 125 percent rule required to validate trades between teams that are over the salary cap. Turkoglu is on the books for $9.8 millon next season.

The Suns, trying to move on after losing Amar'e Stoudemire to the Knicks, made another solid move in acquiring restricted free agent Josh Childress from Atlanta for a second-round pick. By doing so, Phoenix bypasses the offer sheet and seven-day matching procedure for restricted free agents, which eliminates what would've been merely a formality since the Hawks were not going to match an offer sheet for Childress after signing Joe Johnson to a max deal. With Turkoglu's play-making ability and Childress' athleticism, it's hard not to like the Suns' post-Amar'e look. Childress, who gets a five-year, $34 million deal, will give coach Alvin Gentry more flexibility in his rotations. Turkoglu will take some of the pressure off an aging Steve Nash to be the playmaker and ballhandler on every possession.


Since: Jun 24, 2010
Posted on: July 12, 2010 9:21 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)

Raps starting 5: PG...Jarret Jack (stifle laugh here)...SG: Umm...SF: Boris Diaw (Hey he can play)...PF: Amir "I don't know how I got this contract" Johnson...C: Andrea Barngani...

Is it safe to assume pro basketball in Toronto was a bad idea all-together?

Since: Jun 24, 2010
Posted on: July 12, 2010 9:17 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)

Come again? How exactly is Hedo a bad guy? Seriously if you know something about Hedo personality I'd like to know? If your just saying he's a bad player though you should probably repharse.

Since: Dec 11, 2006
Posted on: July 12, 2010 7:59 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)

Hedo was absolutely awful in Toronto.  They gave him the opportunity to play any way he wanted, because Bosh is so classy and talented, and he stunk the joint out.  Was pouty and petulent from the start.  I just hope that the suns don't expect leadership or effort, because he is a terrefic #3 offensive option, but as a #1 or #1A he will be a major dissapointment.

Since: Oct 28, 2006
Posted on: July 12, 2010 7:43 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)

Damn, that's sad. Why can't the Raptors put together a front office that is a complete abortion. First you lose Bosh for basically nothing, when everybody knew he was leaving and they didn't trade his a$$, then using Hedo all wrong and getting rid of him, and , tossing in Calderon. Why toss in Calderon? Canada's only team will never succeed until they get serious about the front office, the coach and the players. Jarrett Jack and Amir Johnson are NOT going to lead you to a title let alone the playoffs.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: July 12, 2010 7:27 pm

After Gilbert's rant" no Child's Dress

I think he might be able to find his Answer for 10 million a year. Al Iverson! Other than that, wow, has he ever stepped in doodoo. Congrats to his GM for grabbing all thsoe picks. That is their only salvation here. Plus, they will be a lottery pick winner in a year or so, and might get another star for 7 years or so, who knows?

Since: Jan 19, 2009
Posted on: July 12, 2010 6:47 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)

Hawks were never going to be able to (or would have wanted to pay) J-Chill the kind of money Phoenix offered, esp. after re-signing JJ.  I heard J-Chill wasn't even that impressive in Greece.  
It's amazing that six years later, we're still waiting on J. Smith to mature (imagine how good he could be if he had Al Horford's motor and work ethic), but to the contrary, Smith's contract is actually quite reasonable for someone with his youth and athleticism (5 years, $58 mil, compared to say Elton Brand 5 years, $80 mil, or Paul Pierce, 4 years, $61 mil, neither of whom is the defensive stopper J. Smith is; I might also add that I too am not a huge Josh Smith fan, but he does offer the Hawks a defensive dimension very few other players do - when his head is screwed on straight, but he is a classic example of someone who could have benefited from a year or two of college).
It'll be interesting to see how Phoenix turns out (they are basically swapping in perimeter offense in Turkoglu and perimeter defense in Childress, for a do-everything interior guy like Stoudemire), but if there's one thing the Hawks will hopefully learn from Phoenix and Cleveland is that Shaq at this point, is far more likely to clog the middle, muck up your offense and slow everything down than he is to slow down Dwight Howard enough to allow the rest of the team to the beat the Magic.
I totally agree Hawks still need a PG (they need to quit drafting undersized college 2 guards and expecting that they will be NBA PGs) and a C; their biggest obstacle I think will still probably be Dwight Howard and any team with a big, physical frontcourt (like Cleveland the past couple of years with Varejao, Ilguaskas, Wallace, and even Joe Smith, although Smith sucked for the Hawks this past season).

Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: July 12, 2010 5:04 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)


Just keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid !

Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: July 12, 2010 5:01 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)

Once again BC pulls wool over the eyes of CRAPtor faithful !

When are CRAPtor fans going to wake up.
This organization is pathetic.
They are perenially over-rated & simply don't have the talent.
Bosh & Turk are smart to escape, just like McGrady, Carter, Stoudamire, Camby, et al.
CRAPtors are a joke & they're going nowhere.
CRAPtor GMs are constantly fooling the fans into believing that the team is better than they really are.
Hence, CRAPtor fans willing drink the Kool-Aid.

Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: July 12, 2010 4:49 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)


why in the world would the hornets accept that trade??  the hornets are in the middle of changing ownership and arent looking for any "inflated contracts" or aging point guards past their prime, the hornets are high on collison since after next year he may be taking over the point if chris paul leaves in free agency, and if you think your gonna get a quality center out of emaka okafor your crazy, okafor was a stud at UCONN, he has been a dud ever since he got to the nba

Since: Jan 6, 2007
Posted on: July 12, 2010 3:34 pm

Turkoglu, Childress to Suns (UPDATE)

Charlotte should like Calderon, he may not be the best on defense but he is a very smart point guard who is capable of great things. He takes good shots, can drive the lane, drain the 3, and hes a pretty reliable free throw shooter. If he has capable players around him, he will make everyone better. He could easily be a starter on most of the teams in the league, so hes a good pickup. I wouldnt be surprised to see this guy get better with age kinda like Steve Nash.

Great move for Toronto shipping off Hedo. That guy was a cancer on the team, even though we gave him everything he could want. Toronto has everything you could find in a big US city like NY or Chicago, but Toronto would also provide a lot culturally for him. We have a decent sized Turkish community here, so he can find restaurants and things like that if he wanted, not to mention the club scene and entertainment. Maybe it was too much for him to handle, causing him problems on the court, or maybe it was just some unknown beef with the coach/GM. I dont know, but im sure he'll fit in much better in Phoenix, lol.

Anyway, its great that we shipped out his contract, it just wasnt working for us. Hopefully the moves pan out for the Raptors, and considering they got guys with contracts expiring in 2 seasons(Turk has 4 left), and apparently Toronto didnt touch their Trade Exception. Toronto also got rid of Jose Calderon's bad contract(I like the guy, but it was a bad contract). Now, Toronto has a ton of cash for the next few seasons and the future is suddenly a bit brighter.

Now if we can evolve Andrea Bargnani to the next level and make him into a bonafide All-Star, this team could become dangerous sooner rather then later.

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