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Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

Posted on: September 27, 2010 12:36 pm
Edited on: September 27, 2010 10:39 pm
Talks of a blockbuster trade that would send Carmelo Anthony to the Nets gained momentum Monday before getting bogged down again in the Nuggets' indecision, two people familiar with the negotiations told

One person briefed on the complicated, four-team talks described them as "moving along" after a weekend of inertia fueled by Denver's inability to make a final decision on trading its franchise player -- and Anthony's desire to make sure he was doing the right thing by signing off on a deal to New Jersey.

"Talking and waiting," was how another person with knowledge of the negotiations described them.

On Sunday, a person connected to the talks told that there was a "more than 50 percent chance" Anthony is traded in the next 24-48 hours. The momentum gained Monday bolstered that prediction, with most of the focus on the original framework of the deal also involving the Bobcats and Jazz.

But as the discussions dragged on, frustration with the Nuggets' handling of the negotiations was building among the other executives involved in the deal. One person who has been briefed on the talks described the Denver team of GM Masai Ujiri, executive Josh Kroenke and adviser Bret Bearup -- consummating their first trade together -- as "a huge puzzle." A second person familiar with the discussions expressed frustration with "a lot of contingencies" the Nuggets were trying to place on the deal, and a third described the Nuggets as indecisive and hesitant.

Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor, speaking at Utah's media day , said, "If you're going to make that trade, it would've been done Friday."

The Nuggets have done this slow dance before, under different leadership, but the meandering pace of these trade talks has some execs marveling at how some things in Denver haven't changed.

As part of the scenario being discussed for weeks and tabled over the weekend while Denver executives strategized privately and sought other offers, the Nets would send No. 3 pick Derrick Favors and two first-round picks to Denver for Anthony. The Bobcats would get Devin Harris from New Jersey and send Boris Diaw to Utah, which could send Andrei Kirilenko and his $17.8 million expiring contract to Denver. Quinton Ross would go from New Jersey to Utah.

That basic structure "hasn't changed" since Friday, said one person who has been briefed on the talks.

As discussions progressed, however, sources confirmed reports that Utah was trying to get a second-round pick in the deal, and Charlotte was asking for cash or a pick for its involvement. Those issues were "being discussed" Monday, one of the sources said. At the same time, frustration was growing for Utah and Charlotte, although one executive with a hand in the negotiations pointed out that both teams would have something significant to lose if the deal fell apart: Charlotte needs a starting point guard, and Utah needs luxury-tax relief.

The Nuggets, who accelerated trade talks in response to ominous predictions of problems that would result from Anthony staying in Denver, convened for media day Monday -- and Anthony was there. Though that hurdle was far from a drop-dead deadline, it was nonetheless ideal from the Nuggets' standpoint to make considerable progress before being saddled with controversy and drama.

There was no hiding how torn Denver officials were Monday between trying to find a better deal and hoping that Anthony's camp could be persuaded to tamp down its trade rhetoric. After spending the weekend trying to determine if a better deal would emerge -- or if better assets could be acquired from the three other teams currently involved -- the Nuggets reached a tipping point in the most difficult decision a franchise ever has to make. That is one reason Denver tried to explore every angle and wanted to meet in person with Anthony before agreeing to trade him.

One avenue Denver pursued recently in the trade discussions was getting Gerald Wallace from Charlotte in the deal, a person involved in the talks told Monday. But the Bobcats have insisted throughout that they'd only trade Wallace if it meant getting Anthony in the deal, and that's not happening based on Anthony's lack of interest in playing in Charlotte. For the same reason, Denver's interest in the Sixers' Andre Iguodala is a non-starter.

A package featuring No. 2 pick Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, the expiring contract of Jason Kapono and draft picks -- explored previously here -- also fails to pass the Melo test.

As the Nets' discussions continued to develop Monday, sources say one team that is more involved than commonly thought is the Knicks. After New York fell short in its pursuit of LeBron James and/or Dwyane Wade, it would be devastating for the Knicks to watch Anthony go to their cross-river rival -- especially since that rival is moving into the city limits to Brooklyn in two years. While Knicks president Donnie Walsh has been in far from panic mode, he has been "working every angle" in an effort to get back in the game with Anthony, according to a rival executive familiar with Walsh's approach.

"He's the master," the executive said. "I'll put it this way: If there's any way to get something done that he feels good about, he'll get it done. He'll leave no stone unturned."


Since: Feb 9, 2008
Posted on: September 28, 2010 7:44 am

Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

I think the idea is to team Melo with Lopez and then hope that CP jumps on board the year after.. Then you have Melo, Lopez and CP going to Brooklyn.

Since: Sep 19, 2007
Posted on: September 28, 2010 7:21 am

Small Correction

While Knicks president Donnie Walsh has been in far from panic mode, he has been "working every angle" in an effort to get back in the game with Anthony, according to a rival executive familiar with Walsh's approach.

"He's the master," HIS MOTHER said. "I'll put it this way: If there's any way to get something done that he feels good about, he'll get it done. He'll leave no stone unturned."

Since: Jul 20, 2010
Posted on: September 28, 2010 6:46 am

Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

Harris can't stay healthy, is now disgruntled with being in trade talks and who knows what's up with Favors "potential".  They can get a top 3 or 4 player in the league who's only 26!!!  Who is also from Brooklyn!  CP3 or others will come and play there with Melo and Lopez.  Don't forget about T-Will and Murphy who aren't chumps either.  Great move if they get it through.

Since: Jul 22, 2010
Posted on: September 28, 2010 4:06 am

Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

If I was the Wallace for Melo would be a HUGE NO NO..Stephen Jackson for Melo yes..but Wallace is great on defense..Melo is C+ to a B at best. So, that would take them down on defense then they wouldnt have anybody on the team to knock away shots.  I think when it comes down to it from what has been said...Melo will go to NY, NJ, NO, and the darkhorse candidate LAC. NY & NJ for obvious reasons..NO cause of Paul, and LAC because he will be living in a bigger market and his loud obnoxious wife could get her shine on.

Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2010 12:38 am

Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

if the Nuggets are wanting a Gerald Wallace or a Igudola or an Evan Turner, they NEED to lower the demands and take only that said player and one other small peice. Personally, i think Evan Turner has the potential to be just as great as Anthony so if you trade him to Philly, only ask for Turner.

Since: Sep 14, 2008
Posted on: September 27, 2010 8:50 pm

Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

Melo a lazy player? ha ha ha  what a joke

Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: September 27, 2010 8:38 pm

Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

Although I am not an Fan of the contract they gave Andre Iguodola and would like to see him traded. It makes no sense what so ever to trade him for a player who is not as good Devin Harris. Who plays a position Point guard that Sixers have an up and coming young player in Jrue Holiday. What I would love to see happen is the Sixers getting involved by giving Iggy to the Nuggets and getting Favors a 1st rd pick and whatever garbage it takes to make it work cap wise. A Sixers team a core of Turner Holiday Favors  with Young at SF and Speights Brackins and Hawes playing at the bigs with Favors. Can be a factor to win the title in a few years. Especially if they continue to draft well in the upcoming drafts.

Since: Sep 14, 2008
Posted on: September 27, 2010 7:47 pm

Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

I think they should pull the trigger on this deal because this would be great for the nuggets getting Andrei Kirilenko [for at least one year], Derrick Favors who's gonna probably gonna be a stud in a couple of years and 2 first round draft picks both of them in the 10 ten picks 

Since: Nov 15, 2006
Posted on: September 27, 2010 7:12 pm

Melo talks 'moving along' (UPDATE)

This is only an idea, and it would provide the Nuggets everything it needs, both today and for the future. The Nuggets are asking for a young frachise caliber player they can market, an expiring contract (for salary cap purposes) and multiple 1st round picks. Next years free agent class could be a special one as well, and with additional salary cap flexibility they might have the pieces in place to make another great run... here is a four team deal I think could work out in favor of the teams involved: Denver, New Jersey, Philadelphia and Houston!

Denver would send Carmelo Anthony to New Jersey, Nene Hilario to Houston. Nuggets would receive Derrick Favors, 2 1st round draft picks, and the expiring contracts of Yao Ming and Shane Battier.

New Jersey would send Derrick Favors to Denver, Troy Murphy to the Rockets, Kris Humphrey's to the Rockets, Devin Harris and the expiring contract of Quinton Ross to the 76ers. Net's would receive Carmelo Anthony (Nuggets) and Andre Igoudala (76ers)

Houston would send Shane Battier and Yao Ming to the Nuggets and the expiring contract of Jordan Hill to the 76ers! Rockets would receive  Nene Hilario from the Nuggets and the expiring contracts of Troy Murphy and Kris Humphries to bolster their front court and relieve them of salary cap space in the off-season.

The 76ers would send Andre Igoudala to the Nets. 2nd round pick to the Rockets. 76ers would receive Devin Harris from the Nets as well as the expiring contract of Quinton Ross. 76ers would also receive the expiring contract of Jordan Hill from the Rockets as well as a 2nd round pick.

I think this trade would be good for all the teams involved. The Nuggets would free up major cap space and introduce key cornerstone pieces for their rebuilding project with Favors complimenting the skills Ty Lawson carries. The cap space would come from the additions of Shane Battier and Yao Ming and the loss of Nene's 2011-12 contract.

In all the Nuggets would only carry a 20 million payroll into the 2011-12 off season freeing up enough cash to make some major additions, such as adding small forward Al Horford, center Marc Gasol,  and signing JR Smith to a long term. With Chauncey Billups future still unknown, you could walk into 2011-12 with a fairly dangerous group of top young talents, and a starting 5 that could look like this next season: C-Gasol, PF - Favors, SF - Horford, SG - Smith, PG - Lawson

For the Nets, the long term additions of Carmelo Anthony (4 yrs) and Andre Igoudala (4 yrs) could allow the franchises move to Brooklyn to come in fine fashion. Add in Brook Lopez and a talent, young point guard you have the looks of a young, but talented team capable of challenging the likes of Orlando, Atlanta, Miami and Boston in the East.

The Rockets lose some defense, but pick up some scoring pieces and a lot of financial flexibility. For Nene, a change of scenery in Houston will allow him to finally prove his worth. Tag team him with a scoring foward in Murphy and you have a formidable front court to take the load from scoring machines Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks. Would have a strong chance of competing in the Southwest with a lineup of PG - Brroks, SG - Martin, C - Nene, PF - Murphy and SF - Budinger.

This might be the team who gets hurt the most in this deal, but with a 2nd round pick and the long term addition of a dominant point guard, the 76ers will add another valuable piece around Evan Turner and Thaddeus Young.  Mix that with the added pick and expiring contracts, and this club could gear up for a monster off season in 20011 and 2012!

Let me know your thoughts!

Since: Apr 19, 2010
Posted on: September 27, 2010 7:02 pm

Nuggets' indecision 'a huge puzzle' (UPDATE)

If Melo is the BIG piece they will go nowhere because Melo is about Melo and not necessarily team. His current demands are a perfect example of this. He is NOT a winner he will always be a runner up.

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