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As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

Posted on: December 15, 2010 2:52 pm
Carmelo Anthony is still a Nugget. He will still be a Nugget Thursday night, when Denver plays San Antonio.

How long will he be a Nugget? Long enough for Denver management to assess all its options and get the best possible deal for the three-time All-Star.

That could take a while. This has been going on since September, so what's the rush?

The breathless speculation over when and where Anthony will be traded took a bizarre turn in the past 14 hours or so, with a Denver television station reporting that the Nets and Nuggets had "come to an understanding" on a trade, then backtracking, then posting a story on its website Wednesday saying the Nets "have the pieces in place for a potential trade," with a note at the end of the story saying the station "stands by this story."

Really? Which one?

Here are the facts: The Nets have been putting the pieces in place to acquire Anthony for three months, and they took a major step toward sweetening their offer by acquiring two more first-round picks in a trade with the Rockets and Lakers, which was completed Wednesday. The Nets' efforts to land Anthony have always been -- and will always be -- contingent on Anthony agreeing to sign a three-year, $65 million extension as part of the deal.

"It hasn't gotten there," a person directly involved in the trade discussions told Wednesday. "And I don't know when it's going to get there, if it's going to get there."

In other words: chill.

Another fact: The Nuggets continue to engage the Nets and other teams in trade discussions, because that is their job. And as reported last week, the team has all but decided it will trade Anthony if he does not signal his intentions to sign an extension with them before the Feb. 24 trade deadline. Anthony told Saturday that he doesn't believe he needs to apprise the Nuggets of his decision on the extension before the deadline. Thus, the Nuggets are handling their business -- making and receiving trade calls -- and the Nets are continuing to amass as many assets as they can, some of which Denver specifically asked for in an Anthony trade.

Again, it comes back to whether Anthony will agree to an extension in a trade that sends him to New Jersey. A person directly involved in Anthony's decision-making process told Sunday that he recently became entrenched in his belief that, if traded, he would only agree to an extension if sent to the Knicks. A rival team executive corroborated that information Tuesday, telling that the Nets "got word that Melo will not sign there. They can't get it done."

The Nets, who now have five first-round picks in the next two drafts, continue to proceed on the information they've received from Anthony's camp -- that he would extend with them as part of a trade.

Those are the facts. They're messy and complicated and can't be explained in a breathless tweet followed by an exclamation point. As the Nuggets gathered for practice and scouting meetings Wednesday, a person involved in the process said players and management officials alike were "laughing" at speculation that a trade agreement had already been reached. 

"Sad," is how the official described the current state of affairs. 

And he used another word:



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 17, 2010 12:47 am

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

The quote from Melo about only going to NY is probably a result of endless reporter's questions about what is going on. As far as his being "untradable" from somebody out there, somebody might take a chance on "renting" Melo and pay reasonable in a trade (no mega blockbusters though) and if a title came out of it then Melo would have a real decision to make but that's a biggggg IF.
I think Melo saying he would only sign an extension to go to New York is actually pretty classy in my opinion.  If he wanted to be an idiot about this, he could just keep his mouth shut, say all the right things and go wherever they trade him.  He could let a team trade the farm for him only to screw them over in the long run.  But he didn't do that... he's warning the Nuggets in advance as well as warning any team interested in trading for him.  He's being honest.... nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

I thought about the second part of your post, somebody renting Melo.   It would have to be a team that thinks they are only one player away from winning it all.  But who could that team be?  There might be 5 contenders in my opinion.. 5 teams with a realistic chance at winning it all.   Boston, Miami, the Lakers, San Antonio, and maybe Dallas?  But would any of those teams play around with their chemistry when they are already contenders? On the fringe you could see a team like Orlando think they're on the verge of doing some damage come playoff time or somebody else in the West, but the risk is huge.  All it would take is a team like Boston or Miami or the Lakers taking them down in the playoffs and whatever they traded from their future is gone.

It'll be interesting though.  I still believe he'll sign with the Knicks as a free agent.  He wants to be in the spotlight, an up and coming young team that's serious about winning, huge marketing opportunities for more money and a much easier regular season in the East versus the tough Western conference.

I could be wrong though.. we'll find out very soon.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: December 16, 2010 4:58 pm

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

New Jersey would be wise not to sell the farm on this one. Five first round picks are pretty valuable and what a way to rebuild if you are patient! Carmello will not guarantee instant succes.

Maybe the Nets are more worried about Carmello, Amare and Paul all ending up across town and are trying to be proactive.

Regardless- be careful what you wish for. Nets have potentially 5 stars to match up with their current young stars if they are patient.

Since: Jan 26, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 3:49 pm

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

I'm guessing since you are a Raptors fan you are out of the loop a bit.  How do you suppose the Nets sign Duncan when he is locked up through 2011/ 2012 and Parker signed an extension through 2014/2015?  That makes no sense.  Maybe they should sign Stoudemire this coming off season as well. 
I do agree that the Nets should pass on Carmelo.  Lopez and Favors could turn out to be a great front court tandem, use the picks and Harris to go after Chris Paul in a trade or another established point gaurd.  Look what Ray Felton has done for the Knicks.  Maybe one of those picks could get the Nets a point gaurd that could make the entire team better.  Carmelo would just put up great stats that wold end up translating into few extra wins.

Since: Sep 20, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 2:28 pm

As the Melo turns

Nice post RedWings1969. I like the point about those guys who left not creating trouble for the teams over getting arrested and such. Also why does a guy HAVE to play their whole career for the team that drafted them? Why? Are we telling that guy to give up their dream of playing for their childhood team?   I also agree that the teams messed up by not dealing with this sooner and thus receiving nothing in return. Didn't Denver change a number of front office guys after the start of the season? That looks like they waited toooo long and noticed it late.

I read that the Magic resigned D. Howard like a year early (no more Shaq problems). I suspect that the Nuggets are learning that lesson right now and quite frankly will be settling for a large expiring contract, a pick and another player for Melo, a player who fulfilled his contract. I read a quote about some Nugget fan hoping that Melo got hurt (nice post guy, not!); that fan should call the front office of Denver and moan to them - there's the real problem.

The quote from Melo about only going to NY is probably a result of endless reporter's questions about what is going on. As far as his being "untradable" from somebody out there, somebody might take a chance on "renting" Melo and pay reasonable in a trade (no mega blockbusters though) and if a title came out of it then Melo would have a real decision to make but that's a biggggg IF.

Since: Jun 7, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 12:55 pm

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

I can understand this Melo wanting go to the East Coast, but you have to think if this dude is willing go from the Nuggets to the Nets how much does he really care about winning. Do you want a person who don't care if he's on a winning team.

Then he says he just want his teammates to stay focus when he's the distraction. Denver needs to get this over and done with, and make sure get compensated in return.

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 16, 2010 11:25 am

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

They are willing to sell their future for one player and while he is good he will need a supporting cast and this trade will not leave them any better. This will just leave them with a good marketing plan, but not a winner.
Im not sure they're willing to sell their future for Melo.  Just as you said, they have a good young core.  They also have 5 first round picks in the next 2 years which is going to help them a lot.  

Regardless of what they trade for Melo, I don't think they are going to give up as many of their picks as people think they are.  This Nets ownership is smarter then people think, I doubt they're going to be stupid and screw up their teams chances of winning for years because of a bad trade.

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 16, 2010 11:13 am

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

All he is doing is not signing an extension, because he most likely wants to play elswhere, and that may be disloyal, but it is within his rights.
I agree.  Except I'll take it one step further and say that Melo isn't even being disloyal at all.  How is he being disloyal?   Since when is a player required to play for the same team his entire career?  Who wrote that rule and where is it written, somebody please tell me.

Melo signed a contract with the Nuggets and by the end of the season will have fulfilled his responsibilities.  If he wants to stay, he can stay. If he wants to leave, he can leave. That's what free agency is all about, isn't it?

People knock Lebron for leaving Cleveland. Personally, I don't like Lebron at all or how he left using a tv show to announce his decision. But once again leaving was well within his rights.  Cleveland did nothing more for him then any other franchise that would have drafted him if they were drafting first overall the year he came out.   Cleveland was a door mat in the NBA before he got there.   He gave them a couple conference finals appearances and an NBA finals appearance, excitement they never would have dreamed of without him.

Folks in Toronto slammed Chris Bosh for leaving as well.  They never surrounded him with a team worth a dime and he wanted a chance to win so he also left as a free agent, once again well within his rights.  

Melo, Lebron and Bosh all have one thing in common.  They all made their teams better then they would have been without them.  And another thing in common is they were all good people, never getting into trouble with the law or having problems with teammates, in their respective dressing rooms, etc

If Denver, Cleveland or Toronto ownership would have had a half a brain, they would have traded these guys the season before their contract expired.  Teams would have jumped at the chance to acquire a player of their skill level 2 seasons before free agency with a 2 full s seasons to convince them to sign an extension. 

But they waited too long. And now they expect a team to mortgage the future for a guy that won't sign an extension with only a few months to convince him to stay?  That's a little crazy isn't it ?

Cleveland got nothing for Lebron.  Toronto got nothing for Bosh.  And unless they trade Melo where he wants to go ( New York) there's a great chance Denver gets zero for Melo.....

Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 10:40 am

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

I totally agree with Toronto phil. The Nets have a good young core right now and with all of those high draft picks they could build a team that could be on top for years. 
They are willing to sell their future for one player and while he is good he will need a supporting cast and this trade will not leave them any better. This will just leave them with a good marketing plan, but not a winner.

Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 3:46 am

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

@Sick  Option # 1 is the best,  I guess I may be putting too much of the blame on Melo when it should be put on reporters/insiders/bloggers who write about potential Melo trades everyday when all they're writing on is rumor and imagination.  Melo probably shouldn't have half-demanded a trade in the beginning of the season, I think even he realizes that wasn't the best idea now because of the circus it all created and the fact that it still lingers. 

I hope Melo just signs as a free agent next year, I don't think the new salary cuts/rules are gonna be as bad as some people suspect. Even if he were to make a little less on salary he'll likely get more endorsements $ in a big market city.   As a Knicks fan this whole thing kinda pisses me off because I don't want the Knicks to give up 3-4 good players thinking that Melo is gonna solve everything in NY as far as us contending, if we were sucking badly right now I might feel a little different but we don't and there are players on the team I see as a big part of the future that I don't want to be traded.  

Since: Nov 10, 2008
Posted on: December 16, 2010 2:25 am

As the Melo turns: fact vs. fiction

At the Wall - Melo didn't demand to be traded. He simply refused to sign the contract extension that the Nuggets offered. The Nuggets then (realising that he would likely leave as a free agent), began to seek trade offers. As to where the Nuggets can trade Melo, it is s similar situation - Melo is just stating which team he will sign a contract extension with. If Melo's heart is playing for the Knicks then there are three options:

1. The Nuggets don't trade him and he signs with the Knicks as a free agent at the end of the season (or possibly via a sign and trade).
2. The take the best offer and trade him to the Knicks.
3. Take a weak offer from some team who will "rent" him for the rest of the season.

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