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Knicks make final offer for Melo

Posted on: February 20, 2011 3:41 pm
Edited on: February 21, 2011 1:08 am
LOS ANGELES -- The Knicks have made what was described as their final trade proposal for Carmelo Anthony Sunday, pushing the months-long drama toward its merciful conclusion, has learned.

The Knicks would send three starters -- Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, and Raymond Felton -- to Denver for Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter, sources said Sunday. The Nuggets would get the Knicks' first-round pick in 2014, while Minnesota would get Eddy Curry's expiring contract and Anthony Randolph from New York. Curry would then be waived, and the Knicks would send as much as $3 million to Minnesota to pay his freight. 

The Wolves also would send Corey Brewer to Denver in the proposed deal. Carter must approve the trade and waive his Bird rights for the trade to be approved.

Confident that a Friday night meeting between Anthony, his representatives, and a Nets contingent led by Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov and hip-hop mogul Jay-Z did not result in a commitment from Anthony to sign an extension with New Jersey, the Knicks are drawing the line. They are not offering rookie Landry Fields or Russian center Timofey Mozgov, two pieces Denver has asked for at various times in the negotiations, sources said.

"We shall see," Anthony said on his way out of Staples Center after the All-Star Game Sunday night, after being informed of the status of trade talks with the Knicks.

Earlier, Anthony revealed that he did not give, nor did the Nets ask for, a commitment from him on whether he would sign a contract extension that would trigger the completion of a trade that already has been agreed to between the Nuggets and New Jersey. He described the meeting with Prokhorov as "a good meeting" and "interesting," and said he was "just listening" to the Nets' presentation.

"I didn't give anybody a definitive answer," Anthony said.

Anthony said the Nuggets "have been knowing everything since day one" about where he would and wouldn't sign an extension. 

"They know everything," he said.

While Anthony privately has been entrenched for months in his position that he would only agree to an extension with the Knicks if the Nuggets traded him, a person familiar with the three-time All-Star's thinking told Sunday night that he did not close the door on the Nets in their meeting. Doing so would have eliminated the Nets as a last resort to get the three-year, $65 million extension that would be off the table in a new collective bargaining agreement.

The Anthony drama now rests in the hands of Nuggets executives Josh Kroenke and Masai Ujiri, who must decide whether to accept the Knicks' offer, continue pushing for a trade to the Nets, or keep Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline. Sources say it is unlikely a deal would be agreed to Sunday.

"The deadline is Thursday," Anthony said. "So obviously something has to happen, whether they trade me or I stay in Denver or whatever," Anthony said. "The end is here. All this stuff will be over with. I'm excited for this stuff to be over with, and I'm pretty sure everybody else is excited for it to be over with."

Anthony said he would "not be upset at all" if he were still with the Nuggets after the deadline.

A person familiar with the trade negotiations told Sunday that the Nuggets were still working through specifics with the Knicks and were pushing for New York to add Mozgov to the deal. Denver also hasn't shut the door on the Nets, with whom they have agreed to the framework of a trade, according to the source. But it appears that key figures in the organization have grown comfortable with the Knicks' offer, which was sweetened significantly after the Nets re-emerged in the discussions during All-Star weekend in Los Angeles.

As the Knicks' pursuit of Anthony reached a tipping point Sunday, the team released a joint statement from Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan, president Donnie Walsh, and coach Mike D'Antoni saying all three were in agreement on the Anthony discussions. In a rare and obscure step, the statement also asserted that "no one from outside our organization" was involved in the Anthony process -- an obvious reference to former team president Isiah Thomas, whose input Dolan has received since Thomas was replaced by Walsh in 2008.

With so many agendas and obfuscation attempts at play, it was difficult to predict Sunday how Denver would respond. But Nuggets executives have signaled that they want a resolution to the Anthony matter by the end of All-Star weekend -- a timetable that Anthony publicly stated that he favored, as well. 

Just as the Knicks' negotiating strategy was sidetracked by Dolan's decision to get involved in the negotiations and meet with Anthony Thursday night in Los Angeles, so have the Nuggets' efforts been influenced by agendas affecting their still complicated hierarchy. Sources say Denver's reluctance to deal with New York throughout the process was prompted more by a feeling among some segments of the team's power structure that they should not give Anthony what he wants -- the extension with the team of his choice. But sources also assert it will be difficult for Denver to turn down what could be the best offer they will receive for Anthony -- one that gives them a quality point guard, Felton, on a better contract than the Nets' Devin Harris; a young, promising frontcourt player, Chandler, who is more polished than New Jersey's Derrick Favors; a hard-nosed, floor-spacing shooter, Gallinari, instead of multiple first-round picks from New Jersey whose ultimate value is undetermined; and $20 million in immediate savings.

The Nuggets' basketball staff is said to have preferred the Nets' long-standing offer centered around Favors and multiple picks, which would set the team up for a long-term rebuilding process -- whereas the Knicks' offer provides assets better suited to a quicker turnaround after Anthony's departure. But the Nets' competing offer ran its course with Friday night's obligatory meeting between Anthony and New Jersey officials, which reported was allowed as a condition of Anthony receiving permission to meet with Dolan on Thursday.

Keeping Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline remains an option, though the likelihood of that has decreased dramatically, sources say. Denver is not seriously considering a nuclear option with Anthony, which would involve telling him the team will not trade him to new York and also won't give him the extension -- making New Jersey the only path to the money for Anthony. That option, sources say, would reflect poorly on the organization and could hinder its future dealings with players.


Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: February 21, 2011 8:54 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Since: Sep 21, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 8:51 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Because Anthony is going to play for the Knicks no matter what next year.  He will not sign an extension in NJ, so they can offer their whole team but what they are not telling you in the media is that Anthony will not play for NJ next year.

The Knicks do not need to trade their whole team away if they are getting Anthony next year anyway, basically what they are offering is all they want to do to get the player they will have next year a little earlier.......

Since: Oct 31, 2006
Posted on: February 21, 2011 8:36 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Z-Mang, didn't you read the article? If New York is the only place Anthony will sign an extension with, Denver doesn't have much of a choice. Also, those players aren't that bad, it's the pick that bothers me. One first rounder in 2014 from a Knicks team that'll have time to put pieces around Anthony and Stoudemire? Doesn't exactly help the rebuilding process.

Since: Feb 1, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 8:30 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

No, you are not reading this right.

Raymond Felton starts and is putting up All-Star numbers.
Gallinari starts, and was a top 8 pick 2 years ago, In his third season, ready to go for his prime.
Wilson Chandler, I think he's a solid 6th man, also a top 10 pick
Mozgov has shown a lot of promise, and is a cheap and effective big man. I'm not sure if he starts, but he definitely gets quality minutes.

So no, you are definitely not reading this right at all.

Chauncey Billups is 35. How much longer do you think he can play? He also carries a heavy salary.
Carmelo would walk for nothing if this wasn't a new CBA year.
Brewer was a top 10 pick too I believe
and Denver also gets the Knicks first rounder out of this.

Sounds pretty one sided to me. Denver gets everything they want from a deal with NJ or NY. If they take the NJ deal, I think it's lopsided towards the Nuggets.

Since: Feb 4, 2010
Posted on: February 21, 2011 8:25 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

@Z-mang How do you figure the Knicks are sending bench players to Denver? Ray Felton should have been an all star. He's averaging 17pts 8.9 assts and 4th in the league in steals. Behind Derrick Rose and Rondo he's the next best point guard in the East. Chandler and Gallo are two young players who are playing extremely well on a middle of the road team NY KNicks!

So what 4 first round picks that might turn out to be complete flops! At least these players have already proven to play in the NBA.

Honestly i'm sick of all the back and forth. I hope Denver gets nothing. And Anthony signs with the knicks in the offseason so we can all have a good laugh about this

Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: February 21, 2011 7:13 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Am I reading this deal right?  Basically, the Knicks send a bunch of bench players to Denver and a first round pick, and then Minnesota sends a bench player as well.  So Denver gets all bench players and a 2014 first round pick?

Can someone please explain this to me, why Denver would jump at this, when they had 4 first round picks on the table from the NETS?

Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 6:48 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

The Knicks and Nets are wasting their time and money. Pick the guy up in free agency.  Neither the Knicks or Nets are going anywhere in the playoffs. The Knicks can pick him up for just his salary and keep the team in place.  This Melo drama has become tiring. Why do we need to be updated every 20 seconds. Plus who knows what will happen with the CBA over the off season or if there will be a season

Your own comment gives you the reason why the Knicks or Nets need to get this done now. The new CBA could possibly make it difficult for Anthony to change teams, or max contracts could become a fraction of what they are now. If Anthony and the Knicks really want each other, they could screw themselves by leaving everything to chance.

Since: Apr 9, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2011 2:40 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

The Knicks and Nets are wasting their time and money. Pick the guy up in free agency.  Neither the Knicks or Nets are going anywhere in the playoffs. The Knicks can pick him up for just his salary and keep the team in place.  This Melo drama has become tiring. Why do we need to be updated every 20 seconds. Plus who knows what will happen with the CBA over the off season or if there will be a season

Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:52 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

"When the Knicks lost to the Cleveland at the Garden I realized that this current Knicks' team is going nowhere without another Super Player to take the oppoistion's defensive pressure off of Amare." --BannerCA

You do realize that that same Cavaliers team beat the Lakers just last week right? Does that mean they should dismantle their defending champion team for Melo to get him in 2 months before the season is over?  Every team has their fluke wins and losses, if the Cavs beat the Knicks twice in a row then you'll have a point.

Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:38 am

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Yeah he's an offensive superstar, that's the extent of his game but I'll give you that. But you're talking about adding him to and deconstructing a team that is already 2nd in the league in scoring(106.9 per game) without him.  They don't need offense, but oddly enough they will if they strip all the players from the team to get him. And if Anthony comes...still no defense(or probably even less than the small amount we had to begin with)

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