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Knicks make final offer for Melo

Posted on: February 20, 2011 3:41 pm
Edited on: February 21, 2011 1:08 am
 
LOS ANGELES -- The Knicks have made what was described as their final trade proposal for Carmelo Anthony Sunday, pushing the months-long drama toward its merciful conclusion, CBSSports.com has learned.

The Knicks would send three starters -- Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, and Raymond Felton -- to Denver for Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter, sources said Sunday. The Nuggets would get the Knicks' first-round pick in 2014, while Minnesota would get Eddy Curry's expiring contract and Anthony Randolph from New York. Curry would then be waived, and the Knicks would send as much as $3 million to Minnesota to pay his freight. 

The Wolves also would send Corey Brewer to Denver in the proposed deal. Carter must approve the trade and waive his Bird rights for the trade to be approved.

Confident that a Friday night meeting between Anthony, his representatives, and a Nets contingent led by Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov and hip-hop mogul Jay-Z did not result in a commitment from Anthony to sign an extension with New Jersey, the Knicks are drawing the line. They are not offering rookie Landry Fields or Russian center Timofey Mozgov, two pieces Denver has asked for at various times in the negotiations, sources said.

"We shall see," Anthony said on his way out of Staples Center after the All-Star Game Sunday night, after being informed of the status of trade talks with the Knicks.

Earlier, Anthony revealed that he did not give, nor did the Nets ask for, a commitment from him on whether he would sign a contract extension that would trigger the completion of a trade that already has been agreed to between the Nuggets and New Jersey. He described the meeting with Prokhorov as "a good meeting" and "interesting," and said he was "just listening" to the Nets' presentation.

"I didn't give anybody a definitive answer," Anthony said.

Anthony said the Nuggets "have been knowing everything since day one" about where he would and wouldn't sign an extension. 

"They know everything," he said.

While Anthony privately has been entrenched for months in his position that he would only agree to an extension with the Knicks if the Nuggets traded him, a person familiar with the three-time All-Star's thinking told CBSSports.com Sunday night that he did not close the door on the Nets in their meeting. Doing so would have eliminated the Nets as a last resort to get the three-year, $65 million extension that would be off the table in a new collective bargaining agreement.

The Anthony drama now rests in the hands of Nuggets executives Josh Kroenke and Masai Ujiri, who must decide whether to accept the Knicks' offer, continue pushing for a trade to the Nets, or keep Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline. Sources say it is unlikely a deal would be agreed to Sunday.

"The deadline is Thursday," Anthony said. "So obviously something has to happen, whether they trade me or I stay in Denver or whatever," Anthony said. "The end is here. All this stuff will be over with. I'm excited for this stuff to be over with, and I'm pretty sure everybody else is excited for it to be over with."

Anthony said he would "not be upset at all" if he were still with the Nuggets after the deadline.

A person familiar with the trade negotiations told CBSSports.com Sunday that the Nuggets were still working through specifics with the Knicks and were pushing for New York to add Mozgov to the deal. Denver also hasn't shut the door on the Nets, with whom they have agreed to the framework of a trade, according to the source. But it appears that key figures in the organization have grown comfortable with the Knicks' offer, which was sweetened significantly after the Nets re-emerged in the discussions during All-Star weekend in Los Angeles.

As the Knicks' pursuit of Anthony reached a tipping point Sunday, the team released a joint statement from Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan, president Donnie Walsh, and coach Mike D'Antoni saying all three were in agreement on the Anthony discussions. In a rare and obscure step, the statement also asserted that "no one from outside our organization" was involved in the Anthony process -- an obvious reference to former team president Isiah Thomas, whose input Dolan has received since Thomas was replaced by Walsh in 2008.

With so many agendas and obfuscation attempts at play, it was difficult to predict Sunday how Denver would respond. But Nuggets executives have signaled that they want a resolution to the Anthony matter by the end of All-Star weekend -- a timetable that Anthony publicly stated that he favored, as well. 

Just as the Knicks' negotiating strategy was sidetracked by Dolan's decision to get involved in the negotiations and meet with Anthony Thursday night in Los Angeles, so have the Nuggets' efforts been influenced by agendas affecting their still complicated hierarchy. Sources say Denver's reluctance to deal with New York throughout the process was prompted more by a feeling among some segments of the team's power structure that they should not give Anthony what he wants -- the extension with the team of his choice. But sources also assert it will be difficult for Denver to turn down what could be the best offer they will receive for Anthony -- one that gives them a quality point guard, Felton, on a better contract than the Nets' Devin Harris; a young, promising frontcourt player, Chandler, who is more polished than New Jersey's Derrick Favors; a hard-nosed, floor-spacing shooter, Gallinari, instead of multiple first-round picks from New Jersey whose ultimate value is undetermined; and $20 million in immediate savings.

The Nuggets' basketball staff is said to have preferred the Nets' long-standing offer centered around Favors and multiple picks, which would set the team up for a long-term rebuilding process -- whereas the Knicks' offer provides assets better suited to a quicker turnaround after Anthony's departure. But the Nets' competing offer ran its course with Friday night's obligatory meeting between Anthony and New Jersey officials, which CBSSports.com reported was allowed as a condition of Anthony receiving permission to meet with Dolan on Thursday.

Keeping Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline remains an option, though the likelihood of that has decreased dramatically, sources say. Denver is not seriously considering a nuclear option with Anthony, which would involve telling him the team will not trade him to new York and also won't give him the extension -- making New Jersey the only path to the money for Anthony. That option, sources say, would reflect poorly on the organization and could hinder its future dealings with players.



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Since: Oct 24, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:25 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Prokov blew it again. and this time, the Knicks are putting Moz in the mix. looking foward seeing the Knicks beating the Nyets from Newark to Brooklyn.



Since: Dec 19, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:20 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

As I knick fan I've thought about this trade for many days now.  When the Knicks lost to the Cleveland at the Garden I realized that this current Knicks' team is going nowhere without another Super Player to take the oppoistion's defensive pressure off of Amare.

As someone said ealier - under the D'Antoni system - Felton and Chandler have flousrished and therefore have exceeded their career numbers.  I'm not sure how all this turns out, but Mello is an impact player and anyone who doesn't think so is not looking at him objectively.

If I'm the Knicks I roll the dice because without another Super Star the'll never make an impact in the East.



Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:16 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

And you do understand and see through the fact that Mikhail Poopookov is only attempting to drive up the price on the Knicks knowing that his team will compete for popularity in NY in the next year or 2 right? This is the same guy who stuck a Nets billboard across from MSG as if trying to steal some attention from Knicks fans.  He even admitted as much about that and as recently as tonight about attempting to drive the price up on the Knicks.  By giving up our roster its basically like letting his plan work, along with Denver's greediness.



Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:09 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

He'll make that extra extension money up in endorsements in the big market city of NY, he even told many of his friends that he was confident that he would. 



Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:08 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

I'll make my point short and sweet. Melo ain't signing with the Nets.  In 3 months he would be knocking on the door of Dolan's(and Isiah's) office, at that point he will be signed and the Knicks will get to keep all his future teammates.  Better yet, instead of the Knicks having to worry about how to reform an entire team around him and Amare and pray that it works, they'll only have to worry about acquiring a few defensive orientated players for the start of next season. 



Since: Mar 2, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:08 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

The problem with waiting for free agency is Melo wants to be wanted (ie he wants his extension).  Waiting for free agency, when he'd probably have to sign for less isn't going to make him happy and could make him think about signing elsewhere.  Then Knicks fans would have to deal with TWO stars dissing them for other teams. ;-)

Look, as a Nuggets fan, I'd rather he stay in Denver, but if he's leaving, I'm going to try to justify the Nuggets getting as much as possible for him.  And given that Denver management has little leverage, I think this is a decent deal.  If Nuggets management had more leverage, I'm pretty sure they could get a better package of players, picks and salary cap help then the Knicks are offering from someone else. 

You don't like the trade simply because the Knicks have all the leverage.  But, don't be greedy because there may come a time when NY is in a bad position and must take a discount on one of their stars leaving. 



Since: Feb 6, 2011
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:03 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

When you give the trade some objective thought as a fan, if that's even possible - it's a wash.
Gallo is a one dimensional player that is at best a streaky shooter and below average defender who may never reach his potential.
Chandler plays the same position as Melo and has proven to be sullen, deferential and injury prone but could start for an NBA Team.
Felton's put up very good numbers and is a so so shooter. But every player's stats are inflated in a D'Antoni offensive system so.....
Couple all this with the fact that there will be no less than seven solid point guards available by the trade deadline  and five have expiring deals.
So every player relinquished by the Knicks can be replaced without misssing a beat!!!



Since: Feb 6, 2011
Posted on: February 21, 2011 12:52 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Once again, CBS Sports is Wrong - Denver will get Minnesota's 1st round pick from the Anthony Randolph trade NOT the Knicks 2014 first round pick.
But who bothers checking their facts anymore before sending copy all around the country? Surely, not CBS Sports!!



Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 12:49 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Because those 2 complimentary players spread the floor well, shoot effectively from everywhere, between the both of them they usually score 35-40 points a game for the Knicks. They're both young, and their game is still improving, and they're already good.  I'd say better than just average NBA complimentary starters.  The Knicks currently have nobody to replace them with anyway that will supply the team with what they do.  Melo isn't gonna make up for their scoring by himself most of the time unless they wear him out with a ton of minutes, something they'd have no choice to do anyway with the lack of a good supporting cast and bench around him after the trade. Oh and Melo is mainly a mid-range jumpshooter and layup guy, he is seldom a perimeter shooter which would be something the Knicks would be missing sorely for the time being without Gallo.  When you add Felton into the offered package, we basically get an old man back in Billups who can still play at an decent level but probably not for much longer. And he isn't nearly as energetic as Felton, nor proven in D'antoni's high octane system. 

The main point I''m trying to make is that we won't be much better of a team if this trade were to happen, in fact I think we'd be much less of a team especially in the short term. Sure, the Knicks could think things over in the offseason and make a couple acquisitions to fill out the team better, but then again if the Knciks aren't gonna compete now why trade for Melo now? Why not just wait for free agency? The guy ain't signing off with the lowly Nets, you know that.



Since: Mar 2, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 12:41 am
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

That was 'aren't super high'.

Another thought.  Given Mike D'Antoni's system, it's quite possible that both Chandler's and Gallinari's numbers are actually inflated compared to what they would be with a team that runs a half-court system.  Because Denver also tried to run, this might not be a problem, but it also means that they might have LESS trade value to a lot of other teams in the league.  And, because the game tends to slow down in the playoffs, it might mean their numbers drop off then as well. 

I'm not saying these things will happen, just that I think Knicks fans are slightly over-rating the value of the players they'd be giving up.  Yes, they're still developing, but superstars usually show that they are superstars early in their career.  And I don't think either guy has shown he'll be a superstar based on what I've seen.  Decent players, but not guys who can be counted on to produce every night, AND go off some nights.


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