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Knicks make final offer for Melo

Posted on: February 20, 2011 3:41 pm
Edited on: February 21, 2011 1:08 am
 
LOS ANGELES -- The Knicks have made what was described as their final trade proposal for Carmelo Anthony Sunday, pushing the months-long drama toward its merciful conclusion, CBSSports.com has learned.

The Knicks would send three starters -- Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, and Raymond Felton -- to Denver for Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter, sources said Sunday. The Nuggets would get the Knicks' first-round pick in 2014, while Minnesota would get Eddy Curry's expiring contract and Anthony Randolph from New York. Curry would then be waived, and the Knicks would send as much as $3 million to Minnesota to pay his freight. 

The Wolves also would send Corey Brewer to Denver in the proposed deal. Carter must approve the trade and waive his Bird rights for the trade to be approved.

Confident that a Friday night meeting between Anthony, his representatives, and a Nets contingent led by Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov and hip-hop mogul Jay-Z did not result in a commitment from Anthony to sign an extension with New Jersey, the Knicks are drawing the line. They are not offering rookie Landry Fields or Russian center Timofey Mozgov, two pieces Denver has asked for at various times in the negotiations, sources said.

"We shall see," Anthony said on his way out of Staples Center after the All-Star Game Sunday night, after being informed of the status of trade talks with the Knicks.

Earlier, Anthony revealed that he did not give, nor did the Nets ask for, a commitment from him on whether he would sign a contract extension that would trigger the completion of a trade that already has been agreed to between the Nuggets and New Jersey. He described the meeting with Prokhorov as "a good meeting" and "interesting," and said he was "just listening" to the Nets' presentation.

"I didn't give anybody a definitive answer," Anthony said.

Anthony said the Nuggets "have been knowing everything since day one" about where he would and wouldn't sign an extension. 

"They know everything," he said.

While Anthony privately has been entrenched for months in his position that he would only agree to an extension with the Knicks if the Nuggets traded him, a person familiar with the three-time All-Star's thinking told CBSSports.com Sunday night that he did not close the door on the Nets in their meeting. Doing so would have eliminated the Nets as a last resort to get the three-year, $65 million extension that would be off the table in a new collective bargaining agreement.

The Anthony drama now rests in the hands of Nuggets executives Josh Kroenke and Masai Ujiri, who must decide whether to accept the Knicks' offer, continue pushing for a trade to the Nets, or keep Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline. Sources say it is unlikely a deal would be agreed to Sunday.

"The deadline is Thursday," Anthony said. "So obviously something has to happen, whether they trade me or I stay in Denver or whatever," Anthony said. "The end is here. All this stuff will be over with. I'm excited for this stuff to be over with, and I'm pretty sure everybody else is excited for it to be over with."

Anthony said he would "not be upset at all" if he were still with the Nuggets after the deadline.

A person familiar with the trade negotiations told CBSSports.com Sunday that the Nuggets were still working through specifics with the Knicks and were pushing for New York to add Mozgov to the deal. Denver also hasn't shut the door on the Nets, with whom they have agreed to the framework of a trade, according to the source. But it appears that key figures in the organization have grown comfortable with the Knicks' offer, which was sweetened significantly after the Nets re-emerged in the discussions during All-Star weekend in Los Angeles.

As the Knicks' pursuit of Anthony reached a tipping point Sunday, the team released a joint statement from Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan, president Donnie Walsh, and coach Mike D'Antoni saying all three were in agreement on the Anthony discussions. In a rare and obscure step, the statement also asserted that "no one from outside our organization" was involved in the Anthony process -- an obvious reference to former team president Isiah Thomas, whose input Dolan has received since Thomas was replaced by Walsh in 2008.

With so many agendas and obfuscation attempts at play, it was difficult to predict Sunday how Denver would respond. But Nuggets executives have signaled that they want a resolution to the Anthony matter by the end of All-Star weekend -- a timetable that Anthony publicly stated that he favored, as well. 

Just as the Knicks' negotiating strategy was sidetracked by Dolan's decision to get involved in the negotiations and meet with Anthony Thursday night in Los Angeles, so have the Nuggets' efforts been influenced by agendas affecting their still complicated hierarchy. Sources say Denver's reluctance to deal with New York throughout the process was prompted more by a feeling among some segments of the team's power structure that they should not give Anthony what he wants -- the extension with the team of his choice. But sources also assert it will be difficult for Denver to turn down what could be the best offer they will receive for Anthony -- one that gives them a quality point guard, Felton, on a better contract than the Nets' Devin Harris; a young, promising frontcourt player, Chandler, who is more polished than New Jersey's Derrick Favors; a hard-nosed, floor-spacing shooter, Gallinari, instead of multiple first-round picks from New Jersey whose ultimate value is undetermined; and $20 million in immediate savings.

The Nuggets' basketball staff is said to have preferred the Nets' long-standing offer centered around Favors and multiple picks, which would set the team up for a long-term rebuilding process -- whereas the Knicks' offer provides assets better suited to a quicker turnaround after Anthony's departure. But the Nets' competing offer ran its course with Friday night's obligatory meeting between Anthony and New Jersey officials, which CBSSports.com reported was allowed as a condition of Anthony receiving permission to meet with Dolan on Thursday.

Keeping Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline remains an option, though the likelihood of that has decreased dramatically, sources say. Denver is not seriously considering a nuclear option with Anthony, which would involve telling him the team will not trade him to new York and also won't give him the extension -- making New Jersey the only path to the money for Anthony. That option, sources say, would reflect poorly on the organization and could hinder its future dealings with players.



Comments

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 10:00 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

The Knicks aren't going to win anything this year, so I'd rather have Felton, who is playing well, instead of Billups. Gallinari and Chandler, combined with the exchange of Felton and Billups, is way too steep a price for Carmelo. Although Carmelo will add another star to the Knicks, Chandler (at SF, Carmelo's position) is averaging over 16 points a game, and is 6'8 and only 23. The Knicks' true need is a big man, not another scoring small forward. Carmelo would help the Knicks, but is definitely not worth three starters, especially considering the high chance that the Knicks can sign him in free agency.

Great post and 5 stars for you sir !  The only thing worse then the hype surrounding Carmelo Anthony who is not nearly as great as some people think is what these teams are offering for him..... it's insane.

The Gallinari kid is 22 years old???  I think Chandler is only 23? And Felton is a whopping 26???  All are signed for next season with Gallinari signed pretty cheap considering his talent and numbers for two more years after this one.  In return they get Carmelo Anthony sure... but they also get a player averaging 5 points per game right now and they get Billups at the end of his career who they have to pay 14 million dollars next season in not only a capped league, but a cap that might actually decrease with the new CBA...

CRAZY trade...  and now that I read that trade proposal I fully understand why they want the Knicks competing against the Nets fighting for Melo... it's kinda funny actually.....

Whether it's the Nets or Knicks, the CLEAR WINNER here is the NUGGETS.... nobody else... everybody else loses.....



Since: May 9, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 9:57 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

I'm leaning that the trade gets done with the NY Knicks.  The one thing that stands out to me is this fact....."$20 million in immediate savings" by dealing with the Knicks.  Its a business and because of this i'm saying the Knicks get him.  Doesn't mean they'll immediately win since they're losing Wilson Chandler, who fyi, went to my school DePaul (shameless plug).  I think Denver won't be as bad as i originally thought they'd be by dealing Carmelo.  Best of luck to all the teams and it doesn't matter where he goes since he'll be at home in his mansion watching the Bulls win multiple championships!!



Since: Dec 1, 2006
Posted on: February 20, 2011 9:47 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

$65 million for 3 years?   That's an insult for a superstat like melo---the knicks better come up with $25 mil per year or he will start talking to the nets, who will pay what it takes.


That's a "max" extension for a player with his experience. The CBA will not allow for any more dollars or years. The new CBA is expected to have even lower "max" deals, so if he doesn't take that, there's a very good chance he's looking at 3 years, $50m come July.



Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 9:38 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Scriabin-the Knicks do not need Melo. He would be a big addition to the team, but as I said, their true need is a center. Carmelo's main contribution is on offense, where the Knicks already thrive-2nd in the league with 106.2 points per game. The defense is the weak link (tied for 28th with 105.8 points per game allowed), and Carmelo would not make enough of a difference on that end of the floor to compensate for the loss of three starters.



Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 9:32 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

This is a horrible deal for the Knicks; as a Knicks fan, I hope it doesn't go through. The Knicks aren't going to win anything this year, so I'd rather have Felton, who is playing well, instead of Billups. Gallinari and Chandler, combined with the exchange of Felton and Billups, is way too steep a price for Carmelo. Although Carmelo will add another star to the Knicks, Chandler (at SF, Carmelo's position) is averaging over 16 points a game, and is 6'8 and only 23. The Knicks' true need is a big man, not another scoring small forward. Carmelo would help the Knicks, but is definitely not worth three starters, especially considering the high chance that the Knicks can sign him in free agency.



Since: Feb 20, 2011
Posted on: February 20, 2011 9:29 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

I couldn't disagree more. I'm a die-hard Knicks fan and though my team isn't a title contender at the moment, I haven't been this interested in the league on a daily basis in a very long time. There is a huge crop of young talent that plays hard and plays the right way. If you're calling 'Melo selfish for wanting to play in a certain place and maximize his earning potential, isn't that typically celebrated in just about any other profession? I love baseball, but people aren't leaving the NBA for MLB. Not with the way each league markets itself. I love the NCAA tournament, best event in all of sports. But the level of play obviously pales in comparison to the pros, so anyone who "enjoys the game" should also appreciate watching the best talent. If you say you know two names in this trade, then you don't watch the league. So making sweeping, sanctimonious generalizations about a product you don't watch seems a little absurd to me.



Since: Oct 2, 2008
Posted on: February 20, 2011 9:20 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Because all NBA players "swing crack" in the off-season?<br />




Since: Oct 26, 2010
Posted on: February 20, 2011 9:15 pm
 

Up the offer

$65 million for 3 years?   That's an insult for a superstat like melo---the knicks better come up with $25 mil per year or he will start talking to the nets, who will pay what it takes.



Since: Dec 20, 2008
Posted on: February 20, 2011 9:08 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Yeah if this deal goes through it'll be a terrible one for the Knicks. They don't have to give this much up, Melo ain't signing with the Nets.  And Melo isn't worth all those Knicks players when you add it all up so they don't need to bid against themeselves with the Nets out of it.  

But let's say the trade goes through like proposed in the article, the Knicks will still have to play Amare (and Carmelo) a ridiculous amount of minutes per game, wearing them down, and the team's overall point total/average would be no better then it it each game with the Knciks current roster that has more balance to the scoring.  And there would likely be even less defense if this deal were to happen.



Since: Mar 2, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 8:32 pm
 

Knicks make final offer for Melo

I have a hard time understanding the Knicks fans who think this is an awful deal.  Your team is barely above .500 in the still awful Eastern Conference and you're being asked to trade a decent but not great PG, and two complementary parts who may, but only may, become decent players for a top 10 talent and a veteran guard with championship experience (plus two other players who might contribute a little).  On the talent scale, you're making out fine.

I understand the complaint that you could just sign Melo this summer, but understand the message that sends to him.  Your management would be saying that they didn't want to pay him the extension and figured he'd accept whatever deal he'd get from NY under the new CBA.  That isn't exactly the sort of message that big ego NBA stars want to hear.  Melo wants his money (regardless of what he can make with endorsements in NY) because top money is a token of respect, nothing more, nothing less.  (That's pretty sad, if you ask me, but tell me it isn't the truth in the modern NBA.)  To make sure they have a happy superstar, the Knicks need to do a sign and trade.  And low-balling the sign-and-trade sends a similar message to Melo, who, for all his equivocating, I think really does want the best for the Nuggets team he's leaving. 

Now if you want to argue that NY doesn't really NEED Melo, then I'm happy to listen because I think it's true.  They should be looking at some defensive help, which they'll still need if they replace Billups with CP3 in a few years.  This team, even with a big 3, isn't built to win a champion ship yet.


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