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Knicks make final offer for Melo

Posted on: February 20, 2011 3:41 pm
Edited on: February 21, 2011 1:08 am
LOS ANGELES -- The Knicks have made what was described as their final trade proposal for Carmelo Anthony Sunday, pushing the months-long drama toward its merciful conclusion, has learned.

The Knicks would send three starters -- Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, and Raymond Felton -- to Denver for Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter, sources said Sunday. The Nuggets would get the Knicks' first-round pick in 2014, while Minnesota would get Eddy Curry's expiring contract and Anthony Randolph from New York. Curry would then be waived, and the Knicks would send as much as $3 million to Minnesota to pay his freight. 

The Wolves also would send Corey Brewer to Denver in the proposed deal. Carter must approve the trade and waive his Bird rights for the trade to be approved.

Confident that a Friday night meeting between Anthony, his representatives, and a Nets contingent led by Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov and hip-hop mogul Jay-Z did not result in a commitment from Anthony to sign an extension with New Jersey, the Knicks are drawing the line. They are not offering rookie Landry Fields or Russian center Timofey Mozgov, two pieces Denver has asked for at various times in the negotiations, sources said.

"We shall see," Anthony said on his way out of Staples Center after the All-Star Game Sunday night, after being informed of the status of trade talks with the Knicks.

Earlier, Anthony revealed that he did not give, nor did the Nets ask for, a commitment from him on whether he would sign a contract extension that would trigger the completion of a trade that already has been agreed to between the Nuggets and New Jersey. He described the meeting with Prokhorov as "a good meeting" and "interesting," and said he was "just listening" to the Nets' presentation.

"I didn't give anybody a definitive answer," Anthony said.

Anthony said the Nuggets "have been knowing everything since day one" about where he would and wouldn't sign an extension. 

"They know everything," he said.

While Anthony privately has been entrenched for months in his position that he would only agree to an extension with the Knicks if the Nuggets traded him, a person familiar with the three-time All-Star's thinking told Sunday night that he did not close the door on the Nets in their meeting. Doing so would have eliminated the Nets as a last resort to get the three-year, $65 million extension that would be off the table in a new collective bargaining agreement.

The Anthony drama now rests in the hands of Nuggets executives Josh Kroenke and Masai Ujiri, who must decide whether to accept the Knicks' offer, continue pushing for a trade to the Nets, or keep Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline. Sources say it is unlikely a deal would be agreed to Sunday.

"The deadline is Thursday," Anthony said. "So obviously something has to happen, whether they trade me or I stay in Denver or whatever," Anthony said. "The end is here. All this stuff will be over with. I'm excited for this stuff to be over with, and I'm pretty sure everybody else is excited for it to be over with."

Anthony said he would "not be upset at all" if he were still with the Nuggets after the deadline.

A person familiar with the trade negotiations told Sunday that the Nuggets were still working through specifics with the Knicks and were pushing for New York to add Mozgov to the deal. Denver also hasn't shut the door on the Nets, with whom they have agreed to the framework of a trade, according to the source. But it appears that key figures in the organization have grown comfortable with the Knicks' offer, which was sweetened significantly after the Nets re-emerged in the discussions during All-Star weekend in Los Angeles.

As the Knicks' pursuit of Anthony reached a tipping point Sunday, the team released a joint statement from Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan, president Donnie Walsh, and coach Mike D'Antoni saying all three were in agreement on the Anthony discussions. In a rare and obscure step, the statement also asserted that "no one from outside our organization" was involved in the Anthony process -- an obvious reference to former team president Isiah Thomas, whose input Dolan has received since Thomas was replaced by Walsh in 2008.

With so many agendas and obfuscation attempts at play, it was difficult to predict Sunday how Denver would respond. But Nuggets executives have signaled that they want a resolution to the Anthony matter by the end of All-Star weekend -- a timetable that Anthony publicly stated that he favored, as well. 

Just as the Knicks' negotiating strategy was sidetracked by Dolan's decision to get involved in the negotiations and meet with Anthony Thursday night in Los Angeles, so have the Nuggets' efforts been influenced by agendas affecting their still complicated hierarchy. Sources say Denver's reluctance to deal with New York throughout the process was prompted more by a feeling among some segments of the team's power structure that they should not give Anthony what he wants -- the extension with the team of his choice. But sources also assert it will be difficult for Denver to turn down what could be the best offer they will receive for Anthony -- one that gives them a quality point guard, Felton, on a better contract than the Nets' Devin Harris; a young, promising frontcourt player, Chandler, who is more polished than New Jersey's Derrick Favors; a hard-nosed, floor-spacing shooter, Gallinari, instead of multiple first-round picks from New Jersey whose ultimate value is undetermined; and $20 million in immediate savings.

The Nuggets' basketball staff is said to have preferred the Nets' long-standing offer centered around Favors and multiple picks, which would set the team up for a long-term rebuilding process -- whereas the Knicks' offer provides assets better suited to a quicker turnaround after Anthony's departure. But the Nets' competing offer ran its course with Friday night's obligatory meeting between Anthony and New Jersey officials, which reported was allowed as a condition of Anthony receiving permission to meet with Dolan on Thursday.

Keeping Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline remains an option, though the likelihood of that has decreased dramatically, sources say. Denver is not seriously considering a nuclear option with Anthony, which would involve telling him the team will not trade him to new York and also won't give him the extension -- making New Jersey the only path to the money for Anthony. That option, sources say, would reflect poorly on the organization and could hinder its future dealings with players.


Since: Nov 29, 2006
Posted on: February 20, 2011 6:55 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Zero chance Anthony signs extension with the Nets. The Knicks have all the leverage with Denver. Chandler, Mozgov and 2014 first round pick for Anthony. Take it or leave it.

Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 6:32 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

I dont even know what to say about this anymore but this is by far the most played out scenario I have ever seen in sports. Its stupid. Im a diehard NYK fan but I dont even know at this point that i want this to happen. Billups cant come in here and run this offense like Felton can. He might grab on but its gonna take a while. U need depth on a NBA team. Thats why the Heat wont win a championship. Their bench does hardly nothing. Thats why BOS is still the best team in the east. CHI will make their run too. The NYK will gut their talent in half. Not having Chandler and Galo there is gonna hurt. I wish he would just come here in a few months in Free Agency. NY will give him so many endorsement deals to make up for the money he will lose out on.

Since: Dec 26, 2006
Posted on: February 20, 2011 6:24 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

why trade all of them for one guy who is going to crack under the pressure of the NY media?   This is a statement of ignorance.  Throughout Melo's career, in both college and the NBA, Melo has performed exceptionally well at MSG.  Furthermore, I think most people who have turned their tv sets to ESPN in the past four months are probably sick and tired of all the media pointing Melo's way.  In fact, there will be considerably less media around Melo, in New York or otherwise, after February 24 around Melo.  Oh yeah, and btw, he's averaging 32 and 7 over the past 10 games when the media hype has kicked into third gear.  This isn't baseball where a batter/pitcher in a slump gets into a slump and gets 3 at bats/game or 1 start every 10 days to get out of it. It's basketball, shooters shoot themselves out of slumps. 

Since: Mar 2, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 5:50 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Nuggets management should take the deal and move on.  It's not a great deal for Denver, but it's better than losing Melo for nothing.  (I've never been convinced that Melo will go to NJ, so I think they should give that a rest.)

For all those Knicks fans who think it's a bad deal, ask yourself what you'd think if you couldn't sign Melo in the offseason without trading anyone.  Match the talent up ignoring contract issues and you'll see that NY is getting the better half of the deal, which is to be expected because Denver has little leverage.  Sure, Billups is on the downside of his career, but does anyone think Felton's career will peak as high as Billups' did?  Billups knows what it takes to win, which is a good thing for a young team with aspirations to import.

And Melo is better than Chandler straight up easily.  The wild card for Denver is whether Gallinari turns into anything more than a quality outside shooter.  But, Melo can score from anywhere, which cannot be said about either Knicks player.  Plus, when he wants to, Melo can rebound and he's an under-rated passer (though no Lebron, of course), meaning he brings other skills that neither Chandler nor Gallinari have shown much of yet. 

The only real upside for Denver is that they're importing youth on short-term, inexpensive contracts which means they're creating payroll flexibility.  The #1 pick is likely to be in the teens, so it doesn't guarantee much.

Since: Aug 17, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 5:50 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

I wish the Knicks owners would stay out of this and let the man do his job. Walsh has done a lot to get over the awful isiah years and numbnuts dolan jumping in could ruin everything he has been doing which has been to build a team thats playing well together and will only get better in next few years getting Melo would be nice but please do not trade our very fine core of young platers for it

Since: Dec 23, 2010
Posted on: February 20, 2011 5:44 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Starting Lineup is a UPGrade

Stoudamire-25 to 28
Melo- 24-27
Fields- 10-13


Turiaf- 7-8

Adding Williams and Carter isn;t great news to the Bench

Like I said this Team can score 104-105=106- Everynight. Not your way LDK scoring 122 against the worst Teams and scoring 90 against good Teams and Losing and then claiming the Knicks average 106 a Game. Its all a smoke Screen now. This current Team is barely a 500 Team. The Team above will make noise in the Playoffs. AND SCORE 104/106 EVERYNIGHT !!!!!

Confident that a Friday night meeting between Anthony, his representatives, and a contingent led by Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov and hip-hop mogul Jay-Z did not result in a commitment from Anthony to sign an extension with New Jersey, the Knicks are drawing the line. They are not offering rookie or Russian center , two pieces Denver has asked for at various times in the negotiations, sources said.

Having read the above makes me feel good because we will need Fields and Mozgov to make a Playoff Run...

Since: Jan 23, 2011
Posted on: February 20, 2011 5:41 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

come on already trade the Tatooed  Freak already , I am starting to Hate this clown More Than Lebron.....  although i will say Lebron is a  regular season superstar Carmelo is just a slightly above average player as the Knicks will find out when they throw their team away for one player , this trade reminds me of the cowboys trade for herschel walker   lol

Since: Jul 4, 2010
Posted on: February 20, 2011 5:30 pm

Trade Would Balance the Roster

One of the biggest reasons for the Knicks inconsistency has been their imbalanced rotation.  Tufiaf has only been healthy and playing together with Mozgov for only a few games.  So for the better part of the year, the Knicks have played with only 2 Big Men in the lineup.  You may win with small ball against the bottom half of the league.  You may win occasionally, when you shoot the lights out.  But you will NOT win consistently with an imbalanced rotation against the league's best.  To make matters worse, Felton/Douglas/Fields are the only 3 guards in the rotation.  Roger Mason is a dud.  Andy Rautins is a pup.  Bill Walker and Wilson Chandler are Small Forwards.  So that's why Douglas and Felton have been wearing down at different times this season.  A 3 guard rotation in this style of play has put a lot of strain on Felton.  It equals declining play against the league's best.  A 2 Big Man rotation does the same kind of wear and tear on Amare.
So finally!, the Knicks are working towards balancing their rotation.  At the very least, they will convert 2 Small Forwards in 1 Superior Small Forward.  They'll swap PGs.  And then they'll add another PG in Anthony Carter and a pure PF in Sheldon Williams to the roster.  Now, I know I know.  Neither Carter or Williams will blow the doors off the building.  But if Carter can spell Billups, if Williams can give you a few minutes, then it's money.  If one of those two can give you some minutes, then it's a home run.  And if Timofey Mozgov can give us good minutes in this system, then I think Sheldon Williams can give us some rebounds and 6 fouls.  At least DAntoni won't have the dead weight of Eddy Curry and Anthony Randolph on the bench.
But all that being said, I still hope the Knicks make another small deal or two to further upgrade the rotation.  Samuel Dalembert and Troy Murphy may be bought out.  Maybe the Knicks pull a Stojakovic to the Mavericks type of swipe for one of those guys.  Or they make a few small trades.  Bill Walker, Kelenna Azubuike, Ronny Turiaf, Mozgov, Shawne Williams... the roster is already blown up.  You might as well make sure that it's balanced out.  If you trade Shawne Williams, then you still have Walker/Azubuike/Patrick Ewing Jr at Small Forward.  If you trade Turiaf, then make sure it's for a better Center.  And don't be afraid of dealing Mozgov.  If some sort of combination of Turiaf/Mozgov/Azubuike gets you a better Center or Guard, then you make the move.  Earl Barron or Jerome Jordan are 2 other bigs that don't blow the doors off.  But they're two more playable bigs than you had these last few months.  If you don't have to, don't stop with the Denver move... Donnie.  Keep balancing.

Since: Apr 27, 2010
Posted on: February 20, 2011 5:27 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

What makes this an awful deal? There will probably be a lockout next season , so Chandler, Felton and Gallinari will not be resigned in two years anyway.

Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: February 20, 2011 5:20 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

I am still so confused by this move for both the Knicks and the Nets.  Gallinari is a decent SF, Felton is a damn good PG, Chandler is serviceable, and Randolph is a hell of a prospect (and a nutter too), so why trade all of them for one guy who is going to crack under the pressure of the NY media?  He is not Amare, the dude will crack.  Billups is old, Williams is a failed prospect (and I love and I admit he's junk), and Carter is a waste.  This trade will get done because Dolan is a dope who wants a shiny new toy.  

And when he says he will only play for you if he can't go somewhere else, that means he doesn't want to play in NJ and will probably beg to get out of there after a year or so, so why trade the team for him?  He doesn't want to play for you, so stop begging for him to come there...grow some dignity like we thought Prokohrov had when he ended the negotiation earlier.  

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