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Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

Posted on: December 6, 2011 6:38 pm
Edited on: December 6, 2011 10:32 pm
The Hornets began to seriously engage in trade discussions for superstar Chris Paul Tuesday, with the Celtics, Clippers, Warriors and Mavericks among the most serious suitors, sources told

UPDATE: The Clippers' opening salvo was an offer that included restricted free agent DeAndre Jordan and Minnesota's unprotected first-round pick, with L.A. hoping that the prospect of playing with electrifying forward Blake Griffin and the big stage of Los Angeles would be enticing enough to Paul that he would eventually commit to the team long term. Eric Gordon is not in the deal "at this time," a source said, though it is understood that any deal that would include a commitment from Paul would have to include the sharpshooting guard.

The details of offers surrounding talks with Dallas and Golden State weren't known, though Yahoo Sports reported that the Warriors' offer centered around Stephen Curry and rookie Klay Thompson. But the Celtics stepped forward with an offer that would not have to come with any commitment from Paul that he'd re-sign with Boston after the season. According to a person familiar with the discussions, the Celtics offered Rajon Rondo, two future first-round picks, and restricted free agent Jeff Green in a sign-and-trade for Paul.

The impetus behind the Celtics' potential rental offer for Paul was intriguing: Come to Boston, take a shot at winning a title with Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett while the window is still open, and then have enough room to entice Dwight Howard to come on board as an unrestricted free agent next summer. Garnett and Allen come off the books July 1, leaving the Celtics with only $30.4 million in committed salary for next season, when Howard can opt out of his contract with Orlando.

Though Paul has never expressed a desire to play in Boston, if he liked his new surroundings and the Celtics' chances of luring Howard, he would be in a championship-contending situation and could get his max deal of five years, $100 million six months after the trade.

Independent of the Paul situation, the Warriors are among the teams with the most serious interest in free-agent center Tyson Chandler, and the interest is mutual. Paul reportedly has let it be known that a team like the Warriors or Clippers signing Chandler, his former teammate in New Orleans, would enhance its chances of getting a long-term commitment from him -- a scenario confirmed by front office executives Tuesday.

The Hornets also are open to the idea of sending out free-agent power forward David West in a sign-and-trade, possibly as part of a trade package for Paul, sources said. It was New Orleans' interest in Jordan that prompted the Clippers to step forward Tuesday with a reported five-year, $40 million offer for their restricted free agent -- though a person close to Jordan said he is intent on remaining in L.A.

The Knicks also were said to be trying to engage New Orleans in conversations, given that Paul has long coveted the chance to join his friends Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire in New York. But the best the Knicks can offer at the moment is Chauncey Billups' expiring $14 million contract, Landry Fields, Iman Shumpert and center Jerome Jordan, a solid prospect who has yet to play a minute in the NBA.

The "other" L.A. team, the Lakers, also have a strong hand in their efforts to try to land Paul, Howard, or in a dream world, both. The Lakers have no chance of clearing the cap space necessary to lure Paul next summer, so their best chance is their deep stockpile of assets, including Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.

Hornets GM Dell Demps has indicated a strong desire to reach a swift resolution to the Paul drama and not allow it to linger for months the way the Nuggets were held hostage last season by the Anthony saga. Denver, of course, was able to get a better deal from the Knicks at the February trade deadline than would've been available before the season. But that was largely due to two key provisions that have been muted in the new collective bargaining agreement: the same length and dollars in an extend-and-trade that Anthony could've received had he simply resigned with Denver, and the fallback option of a sign-and-trade.

Paul can get only one year added to his contract in an extend-and-trade, and he'd get the same money via a sign-and-trade next summer that he would get simply by leaving outright as a free agent for a team with room: four years and approximately $74 million, as opposed to the five-year, $100 million deal New Orleans could offer he he played out the season. Paul also could get a five-year max deal from a new team following a six-month window from the date he was traded.

But front office executives who've been in touch with Demps say that New Orleans has no appetite for a protracted and potentially ugly trade saga with Paul. Yahoo Sports reported that Demps may push for final offers and a resolution by the time training camps and free agency open Friday.


Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:54 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

The Celtics need to do this is they can. Without the trade I don't seem them beating Miami, and they are at best even with Chicago. So if you can't win with an older team, you need to start to rebuild. Boston has money, they'll still have Pierce and with all that cap space, the have a better chance of resigning CP3 and getting more pieces. If not they'll have hug amounts of cap space to start rebuilding. As for the picks Boston has never won the 1 pick (even when they've been a bad team) yet they still do a lot of winning, because they have one of the best player development staffs in the NBA. Very few other franchise spend enough effort here, it's sort of like how many major market teams in MLB didn't pay a lot of attention to the draft until about 6 years ago.

Since: Aug 21, 2009
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:54 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

As a Clippers fan i would not trade Eric Gordon he is a special talent,,, Clips should offer Eric Bledsoe, DeAndre Jordan, Al Farouq Aminu, and the Unprotected 1st Round Pick from Minnesota in 2013 or 2014... 

Since: Oct 16, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:49 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

It's better to trade or release a guy in any sport a year early than a year too late. The worse place to be in the NBA is to me in the middle of the pack. Good enough to make the playoff but not good enough to win, but also not bad enough to get a top 3 pick. Teams can stay in the middle-hell for a decade if their not careful. If you can get the final peices to be a LEGIT contender, you should blow it up to get the peices in place you need. Now in NO had a legit chance to win it all next year, I could see fans getting mad but they aren't.

It's a different sport but in baseball I can see why the Brewers didn't trade Fielder even though they new he was leaving because they were a championship level team. A team in that situation should trade away a star, but that isn't New Orleans situation.

Since: Oct 28, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:46 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

Give me the dominate big man over the point guard anyday. When you ask someone who the best big is everybody says Howard, ask the same question about point guards and not everyone will say Paul. Chances of getting a really good guard are better than a killer big man who doesn't get injured. Hell, I trade less and try and get Nash ( he's still got 2-3 years left) if I was the Lakers and spend my time on Howard.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:31 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

This is the fallout from Bosh and Lebron. Toronto and Cleveland got nothing after kow towing to these stars in every way possible. Now teams will get trade value out of these stars rather than risk having their team decimated. For example, Denver came out of the Carmelo saga quite nicely.

For the person saying NO is greedy if they don't take the Knicks offer. Why in the world would you settle for those scrubs from the Knicks when there are 4 or 5 teams who can offer much more for Paul? The Knicks will now pay for giving up so many  assets for Carmelo. They have no assets left to stay in the running for a blockbuster trade. The Knicks were in a game of chicken and they flinched when they sold the farm for Carmelo.

Since: Dec 6, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:26 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

I almost fully agree. I was saying and thinking the same thing but if the addition of Paul is that attractive to other free agents it does give us something that we dont necessarily have now. The gamble is unimaginable though. Personally I dont think Jeff Green is a good fit here. But to lose Rondo and two number ones for a shortened season with Paul in the hopes that he will resign and we can piggyback that to also sign other free agents is such a gamble. If it fails we will have to overpay Garnett and Allen to contracts just to keep fan interest and have no young developable talent to speak of. One of the picks that we would trade is likely a later lottery pick next year that we have from former trades.

 If it works it will be like 2008 again though. And it will be nice to see teams not just drop below the screen and dare our point guard to shoot -   I like Rondo -but I'm just sayin..............

Since: Nov 7, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:19 pm


Happy my team isn't willing to self-destruct to land Paul.

Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:12 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

Green is terribly overrated and CP3 is vastly superior to rondo.  Celtics pretty much have only one more shot anyway.  Not a bad offer, though the first round picks might be worth a lot down the line

Since: May 16, 2007
Posted on: December 6, 2011 8:57 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

What's wrong with the Knicks offer? If that's not good enough for Paul, then the Hornets are being GREEDY. 

Since: Jul 29, 2011
Posted on: December 6, 2011 7:49 pm

Hornets engaged in serious CP3 talks

This isn't going to Happen!  Danny Ainge is doing a great job running The Celtics. He didn't trade Perkins to reacquire Green and package Rondo, Green, and two first round picks for a point guard that has solid numbers in New Orleans . . . . unless he's trying to make one more run at a title!  Ainge doesn't need to give up Rondo - a guy who steals the ball like carzy and dishes out assists - for the lore of Chris Paul.  The Celts have bigger issues with the age's of Pierce, Garnett and Allen!  In a short season with the core that The Celtics have they will contend and have a chance to win again.  Rondo can dish the ball all night long.  There are some hall of fame scorers that can still play the game.  And then thee's Green - he will only get better and take over a starting position for an aging Pierce.  They should resign Davis another good option for that team!  The Celtics will and can win without Paul and sacrificing first round draft picks Rondo and Green to win now!  Why give up the draft picks, high picks or not, for one guy!  They haven't replaced the big middle man in Perkins - they traded him for Green - Trading Green and Rondo for a point guard doesn't make sense!  This just can't happen! 

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