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Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Posted on: July 30, 2009 8:09 am
That's right, I put an extra A on that.  With yesterday's trade of Cliff Lee, the Indians have officially given up on this season AND next season.  Lee, the clear ace of this staff, was under contract through next year.  Basically the Mark Shapiro and the Dolans are saying, we're not winning this year and we won't be next year, so why pay Lee the 9 million in his contract.

In this morning's Plain Dealer Bud Shaw put it this way, "The Indains just traded Cliff Lee for 4 prospects.  With any luck some of those prospects may be good enough to trade for prospects in the future."  That's exactly what is going on here.  If you remember, Cliff Lee, a pitching prospect at the time, was acquired in the Bartolo Colon trade to the Angels a number of years ago.  Now that he's developed into a good pitcher, its time to trade him and get more prospects. 

Its a never ending cycle.  Basically the Indians have turned into a farm team for the better funded teams in the league.  Lets develop some good young players and when its time to sign them, we won't be able to afford them, so we'll trade them to another club.  Look at the examples in just recent years Cliff Lee, C.C. Sabathia, Casey Blake, Franklin Gutierez.  My guess is that Victor Martinez is the next one to go.  If its not by tomrrow, then it will be next season.  It feels like the 1980s all over again.

If this keeps up, I think I may have to change my MLB affliation.  I mean who really cheers for a "farm" team anyway?
Category: MLB

Since: May 16, 2009
Posted on: August 1, 2009 5:10 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

The Indians may give up qhuite often on things.  But, just because they give up and trade people, it doesn't mean they don't care.  It just simply says they are looking to the future.  Watch give it two or three years and they will be in the mix again.  True fans don't give up on their team, they have unwaivering hopes.  Just look at all the cubs fans over the years.  Their hearts have been broken time and time again but they still have high hopes.  You Indian fans have to give a little love to your team and keep hoping.  things will get better.  Things always get better.

Since: Aug 1, 2009
Posted on: August 1, 2009 5:03 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

     As an Indians fan myself since burth 16 years ago, I am disappointed with their recent trades. Especially with the Martinez deal including single A pitcers. With one of them coming off of an injury. I don't see this as a good trade. I really havent been a huge supporter of any of their trades lately.
     The one upside I can see to this is that they have a good AA ball team in  the Akron Aeros, they were last years AA league Champions, and they are having a good season this year as well. And on that team is a good catcher, Carlos Santana. I recently saw him play, and I thought he had a good performance. I see him getting called up by nezt season. So, my thought is that the Indians knew they were bringing this kid up, and decided to try and clear some salary with trading Martinez.
     Now, the Cliff Lee deal. I don't like it, and don't see it as a good trade. But, I guess the Indians don't pay me to make these decisions. And I have to hope that the guys they are paying are making good choices for the TEAM, not for their wallets.

Since: Dec 9, 2006
Posted on: August 1, 2009 1:53 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Faith?  Real fans stick it out?  It is that mentality that holds the human race back from reaching its potential.  Winning and trying to win is about getting better every day.  Yes there can only be one Champion but; it is about the struggle.

The owner(s) clearly run the team runs it as a profit/loss business.  To spend more and win will not yield greater profits so why bother? 
Would any other team trade Martinez? Maybe the Pirates.  The list is endless, bring a guy up - develop him into one of the best then trade him. 

Then the one time we had a chance to win a title Hargrove tells Mensa to throw a curveball.  A curve ball???  When your best pitch is a fast ball go with what brought you.  Idiots.

Any good team starts with good ownership and clearly The Indians and Browns have 2 of the worst owners in sports.  Why continue to support them?

Support a team that TRIES to win, and you will find your day more positive.  Continue to support the Indians/Browns and the owners will have drinks and laugh at you while they are on their yaught.

Get it?

Randy in SC - Yes I moved from Ohio because the weather is terrible.

Since: Aug 5, 2007
Posted on: July 31, 2009 9:28 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Wow, with that post I could tell you were a Browns fan, even without an avatar. You've been "Sticking it out" for 40yrs and I've got news for you..... The best ain't commin!

Honestly I feel sorry for Cleveland fans in any sport. You guys just can't get ahead. When your baseball team gets ahead, they blow it up. When the cavs finally get a star, they surround him with bench players and a washed up center while the Lakers and Celtics build juggernauts. Your football team had to leave town to win a superbowl for goodness sake! The Pirates are a farm team to but at least Pittsburgh is full of winners to ease the pain.

Since: Oct 22, 2008
Posted on: July 31, 2009 1:41 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

While I am not, I would much rather be an Indians fan than a Pirates fan. That team is hopeless and hasn't had any sort of success in the last 20 years unlike the Indians.

Since: Nov 27, 2008
Posted on: July 31, 2009 12:05 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Shapiro may be a so called genius, but it's the Dolan's who control the purse strings. They (the Dolans' as owners) have done nothing but dream about a championship team with one of the smallest payrolls in baseball, and it's not working (see Pirates and Reds), and yes, the Indians are once again becoming the farm team for the league (see 1970's and 80's). Just wait to see who they dump yet. When hart this team you knew it would be at least competitive, and John was a buyer, not a dumpmaster. Although, as we've seen even during those years, we could not afford to keep some of Cleveland's best alltime players (Thome and Ramirez come to mind). This ship can only be righted with new owners that don't count every nickel, and bring back a winning attitude to Cleveland.

Since: Jan 22, 2009
Posted on: July 31, 2009 8:30 am

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Totally argee with all your comments cwolnowski.  And none of it will get fixed any time soon.

Since: Jan 22, 2009
Posted on: July 31, 2009 8:28 am

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

c_becker11 you forget the Indians haven't won a world series since 1948!!!!!!!!! .  They had a few good teams in the 90s and missed the boat in 2007, but if you remember the movie Major League...that was the real Indians in the 80s and early 90s...except they never turned it around like the movie.

Since: Jan 22, 2009
Posted on: July 31, 2009 8:21 am

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Wow.  I'm sorry for you bad luck Mr. Papabear.  Sadly though I think you're the one being a little over dramatic.  Checking out your profile, I see you're fans of both the Steelers and the Penguins...hmmmm lets see that's 2 championships in the last what 9 months?  Wow that two more than cleveland has had in the last 30+ years.  When the Pirates are in the same boat as the Indians, at least you can look elsewhere in your city for good teams.  I have to look outside of the state of Ohio to find anything.

In short, be happy with what you have.  Take the Pirate's disapointments times 3 and you have every season in Cleveland since the 60s.

Since: Jun 18, 2008
Posted on: July 30, 2009 10:50 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

It's unfortunate but it's true.  I think it's not entirely the front office's fault either - it's the structure of Major League Baseball in allowing this to happen by having absolutely no salary cap or mechanisms that allow the wealthy franchises to stock-pile talent.  This results in only about 7 franchises that can remain competitive year-in and year-out.  The rest of the league just develops guys that can feed into these franchises.  If you think the Indians' front office is bad, look at the Pirates; they've basically traded away every starter from opening day.  At least they have the Penguins and Steelers, though. 

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