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Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Posted on: July 30, 2009 8:09 am
That's right, I put an extra A on that.  With yesterday's trade of Cliff Lee, the Indians have officially given up on this season AND next season.  Lee, the clear ace of this staff, was under contract through next year.  Basically the Mark Shapiro and the Dolans are saying, we're not winning this year and we won't be next year, so why pay Lee the 9 million in his contract.

In this morning's Plain Dealer Bud Shaw put it this way, "The Indains just traded Cliff Lee for 4 prospects.  With any luck some of those prospects may be good enough to trade for prospects in the future."  That's exactly what is going on here.  If you remember, Cliff Lee, a pitching prospect at the time, was acquired in the Bartolo Colon trade to the Angels a number of years ago.  Now that he's developed into a good pitcher, its time to trade him and get more prospects. 

Its a never ending cycle.  Basically the Indians have turned into a farm team for the better funded teams in the league.  Lets develop some good young players and when its time to sign them, we won't be able to afford them, so we'll trade them to another club.  Look at the examples in just recent years Cliff Lee, C.C. Sabathia, Casey Blake, Franklin Gutierez.  My guess is that Victor Martinez is the next one to go.  If its not by tomrrow, then it will be next season.  It feels like the 1980s all over again.

If this keeps up, I think I may have to change my MLB affliation.  I mean who really cheers for a "farm" team anyway?
Category: MLB

Since: Jun 29, 2009
Posted on: July 30, 2009 10:24 pm


I completely disagree with this.  I think Mark Shapiro is one of the craftiest GM's in all of baseball and will do the appropriate moves in the offseason to field a competitive team.  I think the CORE is still there and they now have a deeper farm system.  I mean seriously, they took a pitcher in CLIFF LEE that almost didn't even make the rotation - mold him into a Cy Young winner and then sell super high to stock up with prospects.  I think the indians are making all the right moves and have fallen victim to bad fortunes with injuries in recent years. 

Since: Oct 8, 2006
Posted on: July 30, 2009 9:07 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Welcome to the Indians of the 80's...20 years later.  For one thing, the Indians did not recieve 4 of the best pitchers the Phillys had because only two players were pitchers.  Baseball America can rate anyone, but I'll trust the scouts.  Knapp just came off the DL with arm a pitcher at A level.  Oh, goody.  Carrasco, gets to creative, pitches off his change-up, not his 95 mph fastball.Also thought of as no better than a 3 man.  Jason Donald, middle infield, better at second.  Minor-league carrer BA .286.  I see about .230 here.  And the catcher, Lou Marson, "catchers with good arm and pop will beat him out.  He works the count.  Little pop and arm is fringy"
Not to mention there are good catchers in the farm system.  Can you say log-jam?
If anyone thinks the Tribe is going to compete next year, stop drinking the Kool-ade NOW!!  And I don't see revenue going up with a bunch of stiffs playing ball. 

Since: Aug 13, 2006
Posted on: July 30, 2009 8:01 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Players have jumped ship from the Pirates and the Phillies RULE the NL     &nb
sp;     &n
bsp;   Yeah baby, yeah!

Since: Aug 13, 2006
Posted on: July 30, 2009 7:59 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Phillies are smarter than the Indians    &nbs
p;      Go Phillies........World Series Champions    &n
bsp;     &

Since: Jan 19, 2009
Posted on: July 30, 2009 5:44 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That city puts everything it has into its sports, but yet the Pirates Front Office seem to not care. I am a twins fan, and I was saddened by the loss of Johan Santan, however that pails in comparison to what the Pirates have to go through, year in and year out. The saddest thing in baseball is when you see a team not even try. It is much like the firesale that the Marlins go through everytime they get good. The Marlins at least have two championships in only 16 years of existance, and an even stranger stat...they have never lost a playoff series... The Pirates have 5 world championships, but haven't hoisted a trophy since 1979, nor have they been competitive since the 80's. So cleveland fan, I would rejoice in what you have, because what the Pirates have right abysmal. 

Since: Jul 30, 2009
Posted on: July 30, 2009 3:05 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

HEY! You and I both cheered for the Elmira Farm team.. what were they called again? OH and the Myrtle Beach Pelicans.. or whoever they are..Just come to the conclusion that Cleveland is the home of the Lost and Dissapointment. You should be used to the horrible trading that each Cleveland team does. Why would the Indians be any different?

Since: Feb 5, 2009
Posted on: July 30, 2009 2:30 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

Screw you, try being a Pirates fan. 

"The Indains just traded Cliff Lee for 4 prospects.  With any luck some of those prospects may be good enough to trade for prospects in the future."  Bud Shaw was just being sarcastic when he wrote the above statement.  The Pirates actually do that... EVERY YEAR.

Thus far in 2009, we have traded away McClouth, our lone all-star from last year, Adam Laroche, Jack Wilson, Nyjer Morgan, Ian Snell and Freddy Sanchez, our best player and 3 time all-star.  I know i'm forgetting somebody(s).  Out of all the trades, we received one, count it one, major league player.  His name is Lastings Milledge, and he sucks.  The rest were prospects.
Last year was Jason Bay and Xavier Nady among others.  Aramis Ramirez and others a couple years before.  Not so long ago we traded Jason Kendall, Tony Womack, Denny Neagle, Jason Schmidt..  I can go on and on and on but i'm just going to keep getting angrier.  Our list of players traded away the last 5 years reads like an all-star team.

Had we kept our team from the beginning of last season together, the Buccos would have been contenders this year.  Had we kept our team together from the beginning of this year, we would have been contenders next year.  Hell, we were only 3 or 4 games out when the dumb @sses in the front office decided to get the ball rolling on "building for the future". 

When is the future ever going to be now?  Never, because unlike the other two stellar franchises in the 'Burgh, the Pirates are not run by anybody that gives a damn about winning or the fans of Pitt.  They should let me play GM for a couple seasons.  I would do a better job of putting out a playoff caliber team and putting butts in the seats then the stupid @ss m*ther F*ckers they got doing the job now.

So in conclusion, stop b*tchin, crybaby.  There is only one AAAA baseball team in this country, and they reside in the city of Pittsburgh and play ball in the most beautiful stadium in the league.  And maybe, just maybe, a baseball stadium in Pittsburgh will fill up again.. But after yesterday, that won't be any time soon.  So until then, screw you.

Since: Jul 30, 2009
Posted on: July 30, 2009 2:13 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team

BTW - Colon was traded to the Montreal Expos, not the California Angels.

Now if they can just get Charlie Sheen back to close games, we should be on the right path.

Since: Jun 30, 2008
Posted on: July 30, 2009 1:15 pm

Indians are only a AAAA farm team


The Cleveland Indians are going to be just fine. Last night's trades were a result of many things: injuries, poor attendance, the economy, and one of the best managerial philosophies in all of baseball.

According to Baseball America, the Indians received four of the top 10 pitchers in the Phillies' farm system (2,3,4 and 10). Instead of competing for this year, the team is already making plans for the future.

What good would Cliff Lee do for the Indians this year?

Even if he won every start for the rest of the season, there is no way this team is going to the playoffs. Instead of squandering premier talent on a losing team, Mark Shapiro decided to "sell high" and try to improve the team for seasons to come.

More than anything else, you are an Indians fan because they are the Cleveland Indians.

Real fans stick it out - win or lose.

Have faith buddy, the best is yet to come!

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