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Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

Posted on: May 22, 2009 8:15 pm
Edited on: May 22, 2009 8:25 pm
All over the Dodgers Board I am hearing how they can't wait until Manny comes back and how they hope they can get a solid arm for Juan Pierre.

Well I'm here to open a few eyes to just how well Juan Pierre is doing.

In 84 at bats this year Juan Pierre is batting .405 with 0 homers, 12 RBI's, 19 Runs, and 7 stolen bases. Manny Ramirez in 92 at bats this year is batting .348 with 6 homers, 20 RBI, 22 Runs, and 0 stolen bases. So Manny is a little bit more productive in this category but considering Juan Pierre came into the season with splinters on his back-side from sitting on the bench so long, not to mention the huge chip on his shoulder when he had to come in to "fill manny's shoes", plus he's generally a lead-off hitter or hitting 9th like he did a few times to start for Joe Torre, it makes his play as impressive as it is surprising. It's amazing how Juan Pierre is able to bat just as well as Manny for about half the cost! Baseball is a game of streaks but Juan has been every bit as good as Manny so far with near the same amount of playing time.

Economically it's a smart move to keep Juan and possibly try to deal Manny. Who knows if anyone would even consider it with his use of banned substances, most teams don't want that kind of image in their clubhouse, or that kind of attention but someone has got to be desperate for a hitter. Again, baseball is a game of streaks and perhaps Juan will only be hot for this time and revert to his previous O.K. baseball, but he has really impressed me and I really find it hard to part ways with him. He is a great teammate and never once whined about not getting playing time when he thought he was going to be a starter when he originally signed.

In terms of baserunning and fielding it's a smart move. Juan Pierre has scored a lot of 1st inning, and late game runs with his contact hitting and baserunning, just the other day I saw him draw a walk to lead-off the game, follow that up with a Furcal single and he easily goes 1st to 3rd and eventually scores. That's the kind of lead-off production we've been needing since Furcal has been struggling to start off the season. It's always easy for the O-Dawg to get a hit when he can relax with 0 outs and men on 1st and 3rd. When fielding you never have to worry about Juan dropping routine balls like Manny would ever so often, he might even dish out an amazing play or two on top of it.

I want to praise Orlando Hudson and get off topic for a bit because he still hasn't let up, to start the season I thought he was just benefiting from Manny but since Manny was suspended he is still hitting as great as he was. With how bad Ethier has been playing as of late it's clear that pitchers don't need to throw anything to him, so it seems to me Orlando is a real threat with the bat in his hands, and is still 2nd in the N.L. in hits, keep up the good work O-Dawg.

In terms of image it would be a smart move to keep Pierre. With the steroid label forever imprinted on Manny Ramirez's forehead it's hard not to think of the steroids everytime he gets a hit in the future, maybe some people don't believe his legacy is tainted but to me, the player himself is tainted. Juan Pierre is probably the opposite of a person who uses steroids, he works hard and doesn't focus on hitting the ball hard but hitting the ball to get a hit and help the team win, not just get a paycheck.

If not for any of the reasons above then it would be a good move to try to ship Manny instead of Juan because of Manny's history. He's known to take teams to win it all and he's known as one of the best hitters of all time (or was) so wouldn't it be better to move a big name like Manny to get a big name pitcher instead of trading Juan Pierre for a decent pitcher? Even if Juan Pierre doesn't stay this hot, would we need Manny's bat if we had a more well-rounded pitching staff? Lets not forget the '03 season when Juan helped his team to win the world series with a .305 batting average, 204 hits, 64 stolen bases, and 41 RBI's for anyone who is saying "well we could use Manny for that same history".

I am not saying Juan Pierre will end up being better than Man-Ram by season's end, there's too much baseball left to be played for me to make that particular prediction but keep your mind open to possibility instead of saying you should trade Juan as soon as Manny comes back from suspension. Our team batting average has skyrocketed without Manny, for the first time since we went 13-0 at home to start I'm seeing our team come together as a real team. Maybe Manny's suspension was a blessing in disguise because in my eyes the team seems 2x more confident.

Juan Pierre has earned the right to be a starter, whether it be with the Dodgers or not, but if I had to choose between Juan Pierre and Manny Ramirez at this time , I'd pick Juan Pierre in a heartbeat.

Just a thought.


Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: May 24, 2009 12:00 am

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

I just said that I would rather have Juan Pierre. People need to calm themselves down.

Since: May 20, 2009
Posted on: May 24, 2009 12:00 am

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

I do not agree that Juan Pierre is better than Manny. Or even nearly as good. Manny has been one of my favorites since he was a rookie with Cleveland. His image has not been tainted to me, not by a long shot. Every one is so quick to judge based on what the media says. I want to see a scanned copy of the drug test results that states everything. And when that happens, I want to see the report from the doctor that gave Manny the drugs. And guess what? None of that will ever happen. We are forced to judge based upon hear say, and I, for one, will not change my opinion so drastically without having absolute undeniable proof in front of my face. Now with that said, I have disagreed with your statement, however, just like you said, that is your opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but most people just don't have the balls enough to stae their opinions. I respect you for writing this, especially since I know, that you had to of known everyone would disagree with you and talk shit. Juan Pierre is a great player and does deserve to be a starter, just not over Manny. The Marlins are one of my favorite teams, and I extremely enjoyed the 2003 World Series. And without Juan Pierre on the team, I probably would'nt have gotten that enjoyment. That was an amazing year, and it just shows that if a team works hard enough you dont need big name players to do it all. With all of that said, back to the point. No one other than the Dodgers wanted Manny in the offseason so why would someone give up a good enough pitcher for him now, when they didn't want him in the first place? The only way that could possibly happen is if the Dodgers agree to pay part of his salary, and that is pointless, since he helps the team so tremendously. With Ramirez, Kemp, Ethier, Loney, Hudson, Blake and Martin (if he decides to remember how to play) the Dodgers have a legitimate shot at the World Series this year. And with Randy Wolf, Chad Billingsly and Clayton Kershaw (if he can get in the groove) I really don't see the need for the Dodgers to get another pitcher. They should've hung on to Derek Lowe, though, he is a great pitcher. They also have the best closer in baseball in Jonathon Broxton. That dude is nasty. So if all their players would just step up, there is no need to make any moves. Juan Pierre is also a great pinch runner, and bench guy. I'd bet the team benefits from him even when Manny is around, just from having him in the clubhouse. Bottom line, good post, even though I disagree with you.

Since: May 3, 2009
Posted on: May 23, 2009 8:25 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

You gotta be kidding me...Manny changes the whole complexion of the game...from opposing pitching strategy to instilling confidence in the entire line up batting arround him.   Wow how soon we forget.

PS any chance Bobby Abreau took steriods....dude has muscles poppping out of muscles and a mysterious power outage...warning track power...Big Poppi? warning track power...hmmmmmmmmmmm

Since: Dec 18, 2006
Posted on: May 23, 2009 3:04 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

Great post.  Could not agree more.

Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: May 23, 2009 2:57 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

How's the rest of the team since Manny left? Lol.

I don't think it's that serious to kill myself.

Since: May 23, 2009
Posted on: May 23, 2009 2:22 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

as a guy from cleveland,,,,manny is the vest pure hitter since ted williams and the best rbi man i have seen in my life...oh manny oh manny why cheat when you are the best.  and as a cleveland guy, you just don't know what to expect off the field or on the field from manny...heck he got lost on the way to yankee stadium one game in his rookie year....he grew up just a few miles from there. in the freaking bronx  

Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: May 23, 2009 2:20 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

Exactly!!! I don't remember teams lining up to sign Manny for 25 mill a season in the offseason. Why would a team now give up a top of the rotation starter for him coming off a steroid suspension.

Also, you are wrong, in the same amount of playing time Pierre's numbers are not even close to Manny's. Why take 90 ABs when you can look at a much larger sample size called their CAREERS. Pierre aint hitting .400 for the remainder of the year.

Since: Apr 21, 2009
Posted on: May 23, 2009 2:17 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

juan pierre career ops = .722

manny ramirez career ops = 1.006

outfielders who have weak arms and no chance of ever hitting a home run should not be paid $8,000,000 per year.

how's ethier doing since manny left?

yeah juan pierre is teh awesome

please kill yourself

Since: Aug 30, 2008
Posted on: May 23, 2009 2:07 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

The other issue is, people may not want to accept Manny and his large contract in return for their super ace.

Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: May 23, 2009 12:50 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

When did I say he was elite? I was just pointing out that he has been just as productive if not more productive than Ramirez in the same amount of playing time. Is it that ridiculous to want a class act like Pierre instead of the "just picking up my check" Ramirez? Why wouldn't we keep Pierre and deal Manny for an ace that would make our team better overall?

Like I said it was just a thought, Manny is probably going to stay in L.A. until at least the end of next year.

and I believe sports are hobbies lol.

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