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Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

Posted on: May 22, 2009 8:15 pm
Edited on: May 22, 2009 8:25 pm
All over the Dodgers Board I am hearing how they can't wait until Manny comes back and how they hope they can get a solid arm for Juan Pierre.

Well I'm here to open a few eyes to just how well Juan Pierre is doing.

In 84 at bats this year Juan Pierre is batting .405 with 0 homers, 12 RBI's, 19 Runs, and 7 stolen bases. Manny Ramirez in 92 at bats this year is batting .348 with 6 homers, 20 RBI, 22 Runs, and 0 stolen bases. So Manny is a little bit more productive in this category but considering Juan Pierre came into the season with splinters on his back-side from sitting on the bench so long, not to mention the huge chip on his shoulder when he had to come in to "fill manny's shoes", plus he's generally a lead-off hitter or hitting 9th like he did a few times to start for Joe Torre, it makes his play as impressive as it is surprising. It's amazing how Juan Pierre is able to bat just as well as Manny for about half the cost! Baseball is a game of streaks but Juan has been every bit as good as Manny so far with near the same amount of playing time.

Economically it's a smart move to keep Juan and possibly try to deal Manny. Who knows if anyone would even consider it with his use of banned substances, most teams don't want that kind of image in their clubhouse, or that kind of attention but someone has got to be desperate for a hitter. Again, baseball is a game of streaks and perhaps Juan will only be hot for this time and revert to his previous O.K. baseball, but he has really impressed me and I really find it hard to part ways with him. He is a great teammate and never once whined about not getting playing time when he thought he was going to be a starter when he originally signed.

In terms of baserunning and fielding it's a smart move. Juan Pierre has scored a lot of 1st inning, and late game runs with his contact hitting and baserunning, just the other day I saw him draw a walk to lead-off the game, follow that up with a Furcal single and he easily goes 1st to 3rd and eventually scores. That's the kind of lead-off production we've been needing since Furcal has been struggling to start off the season. It's always easy for the O-Dawg to get a hit when he can relax with 0 outs and men on 1st and 3rd. When fielding you never have to worry about Juan dropping routine balls like Manny would ever so often, he might even dish out an amazing play or two on top of it.

I want to praise Orlando Hudson and get off topic for a bit because he still hasn't let up, to start the season I thought he was just benefiting from Manny but since Manny was suspended he is still hitting as great as he was. With how bad Ethier has been playing as of late it's clear that pitchers don't need to throw anything to him, so it seems to me Orlando is a real threat with the bat in his hands, and is still 2nd in the N.L. in hits, keep up the good work O-Dawg.

In terms of image it would be a smart move to keep Pierre. With the steroid label forever imprinted on Manny Ramirez's forehead it's hard not to think of the steroids everytime he gets a hit in the future, maybe some people don't believe his legacy is tainted but to me, the player himself is tainted. Juan Pierre is probably the opposite of a person who uses steroids, he works hard and doesn't focus on hitting the ball hard but hitting the ball to get a hit and help the team win, not just get a paycheck.

If not for any of the reasons above then it would be a good move to try to ship Manny instead of Juan because of Manny's history. He's known to take teams to win it all and he's known as one of the best hitters of all time (or was) so wouldn't it be better to move a big name like Manny to get a big name pitcher instead of trading Juan Pierre for a decent pitcher? Even if Juan Pierre doesn't stay this hot, would we need Manny's bat if we had a more well-rounded pitching staff? Lets not forget the '03 season when Juan helped his team to win the world series with a .305 batting average, 204 hits, 64 stolen bases, and 41 RBI's for anyone who is saying "well we could use Manny for that same history".

I am not saying Juan Pierre will end up being better than Man-Ram by season's end, there's too much baseball left to be played for me to make that particular prediction but keep your mind open to possibility instead of saying you should trade Juan as soon as Manny comes back from suspension. Our team batting average has skyrocketed without Manny, for the first time since we went 13-0 at home to start I'm seeing our team come together as a real team. Maybe Manny's suspension was a blessing in disguise because in my eyes the team seems 2x more confident.

Juan Pierre has earned the right to be a starter, whether it be with the Dodgers or not, but if I had to choose between Juan Pierre and Manny Ramirez at this time , I'd pick Juan Pierre in a heartbeat.

Just a thought.


Since: Feb 3, 2009
Posted on: May 23, 2009 12:34 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

This is the dumbest post in history.  There is not a comparision between the two.  Pierre goes on a hot streak and becomes elite.  You've all got too much time on your hands.  Get a hobby.

Since: Aug 30, 2008
Posted on: May 23, 2009 12:28 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

Perfect analogy Ray and just the one I thought of when I originally saw this blog. Its an interesting concept, and Pierre has been fantastic in his ManRam relief tour, but he will come back to earth, every player does.

When the Reds called up Adam Rosales he hit .600 for about two weeks, now he's hovering in the mid-high .200s. Manram, cheater or not, in my opinion is one of the best hitters of all time, he makes everyone around him in the lineup much much better. Look at Ortiz without him, just hit his first HR of this season last week. If he has Manny in front of him I'm betting he has at the very least 5 bombs this year. Ethier has been ok but has also suffered a bit of a disappearing act without Manny around.

The Dodgers can win the division without Manny Ramirez, they cannot win the NL championship without Manny Ramirez.

Since: Mar 20, 2009
Posted on: May 23, 2009 12:26 pm

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

Pierre is a very good player but Ramirez is the right choice by far.  He makes everyone else in the lineup better and the pitchers feel more comfortable knowing he's in the lineup to drive in runs.  The dodgers should trade Pierre to the White Sox, Cardinals, Cubs, or San Diego to get some pitching help. 

Since: Aug 26, 2006
Posted on: May 23, 2009 9:57 am

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

This is just like the people who were telling me the Rockets were better off without Yao.  The players left after a star gets injured play way above their heads for a while, but eventually, they come back to earth.  Then you realize what not having the star means.  Game 7, when Bynum could do whatever he wanted, was that moment for Rockets fans.

I know it is easy when the player is not around to say the team is better, but eventually you need to have a big hitter in the middle of that lineup.  Pierre is going to come back down and Blake, Kemp or Loney are going to need to step up.  When that time comes, you will sit, staring at the TV wishing Manny did not have problems with his peep. 

Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: May 23, 2009 2:24 am

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?


I was merely pointing out that Juan Pierre has done as well if not better than manny, he's batting .400 with RISP and Manny was batting .348, with RISP and 2 outs Manny is batting .146 while Juan is batting .333. The stats aren't lying, since Juan Pierre has taken Manny's spot he's helped the team's average go up and his "clutch" batting if you will is better than Manny's. Like I said plenty of baseball to be played but with both seasons compared, I'd pick Juan Pierre's play in this season so far over Manny's, and if he continues then I'd want him over Manny to get a better valued pitcher.

Just because he doesn't hit homeruns he isn't a key to a pennant? He hits leadoff I don't think he's supposed to hit homeruns or RBI's but he does have a few Rbi's.

Manny did make our team better last year because none of our guys had confidence and that was something Manny had an abundance of. He helped our players believe in themselves when he was coming in and taking care of everything but the time has passed for that, the Dodgers are playing great baseball and went punch for punch with the Angels tonight. Like I said it was just a thought and that was just my opinion.

Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: May 23, 2009 2:12 am

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

Our batting average has went up by 20 some points. So to say he doesn't help our team wouldn't be entirely true.

Since: Mar 16, 2009
Posted on: May 23, 2009 1:57 am

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

Agreed, Pierre is a good player, but Manny makes others in the lineup better such as Andre Ethier (where's he been lately?).

Since: Apr 2, 2009
Posted on: May 23, 2009 12:51 am

Juan Pierre Or Manny Ramirez?

"...if I had to choose between Juan Pierre and Manny Ramirez at this time, I'd pick Juan Pierre in heartbeat."


Well, at this time would make sense I suppose.  Manny is suspended, Juan is not.  So I would be willing to bet Mr. Pierre will have more hits, runs, rbi and stolen bases between now and the All-Star break than Manny.  Until the first week of July you might as well take Kirk Gibson over Ramirez.  Gibby might not be a factor every day, but you never know when that pinch hit situation could come into play.

The Dodgers are in the worst division in baseball.  As long as they can manage to go 20-30 while Man-Ram is gone they will make the playoffs easily.  Last season was an awful long time ago, but I recall Manny making L.A. just a bit better after he arrived.

Juan Pierre is a solid all around player, but a guy with no homers and 12 rbi might not be the key to a pennant.

Just a thought.

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