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Nolan and D are forgotten?

Posted on: May 2, 2009 12:51 pm
I know a lot of people have been grilling Denver on their offseason moves made by the head coach and GM but I have noticed that not much is being said about what Mike Nolan and company as McDaniels has effectively done his job as head coach and is taking all the heat.  Deffinately want to here everbody's thoughts on our new D-coordinator.
Category: NFL
Tags: Broncos, Denver

Since: Nov 16, 2006
Posted on: May 4, 2009 7:08 pm

Nolan and D are forgotten?

This draft belongs to McCloughan and not Singletary. Singletary has input but McCloughan pulls the trigger. When Nolan was here, he had final say on all personnel decisions and McCloughan didn't have much authority. So Al Davis being an idiot makes McCloughan look good and not Singletary.

The Big-Sub will be a problem for you. Defending the pass wasn't the problem here. It was stopping the run. Unless Champ and the rest of the secondary can stop the run at the LOS, you will have similar problems. You'll be screaming because your best players won't even be on the field when the opposing team lines up 2 WR's and Nolan puts 5 DBs out there. That's what happened with Lawson last year. I like to believe that Lawson will turn out fine, but Nolan benched him to play big-sub.

Not taking a NT that will take 3-5 years to develop kind of contradicts what you are saying since you believe that it should take 3-5 years to turn a team around. The reason why you take a DT in the first 2 or 3 rounds is so you don't have to wait 3-5 years for that prospect to develop. If you look at the better 3-4 teams in the league, that's how they did it. They started with the defensive front. The Patriots and the Steelers are prime examples. Coincidentally, those are the two teams that took Hood and Brace. But if you believe that it takes 3-5 years for the core of a team to develop, why not take a DT in year one so by the time the team comes together, you will have a fully developed DT to go along with it?

Of course you have rotational players. But you also have your starters that log most of the playing time. Fields isn't that caliber of player like Vince Wilfork, Kris Jenkins or Jamal Williams. how many will you have to rotate to get the production of those guys?

Now if you really believe that Nolan built the core of the team, what are you saying about his coaching? 4-12, 7-9, 5-11 & 2-5. I can accept 4-12 and 7-9 in the first two years. But 5-11 & 2-5 in years 3 & 4 is unacceptable. The Falcons and Dolphins turned things around much quicker and were in just as bad of shape.

Maybe Crabtree pans out, maybe he doesn't. But Alex Smith was Nolan's call too. I'm only hoping that Smith takes the next step and can still be our future. All I know is that by year's 3 & 4, Nolan wasn't getting the job done...more than that, he regressed and the team got worse.

With a little luck on your side, hopefully Josh McDaniels keeps a watchful eye over Nolan and at least puts his foot down when things go wrong. Maybe Nolan will respond better. I don't know, I guess we'll see what happens. But as of right now, I'm not convinced that Nolan is doing good things for your team. I see some of the same mistakes happening all over again.

Since: Mar 31, 2008
Posted on: May 4, 2009 5:55 pm

Nolan and D are forgotten?

Some tactics work better than others for certain teams however Singletary played on one of the best D's in the game to some and the best gimmick D to others, it does not matter if a player was picked too late per the fans fact is fact singletary will reap the benefits of these good picks and the fact that Al Davis is a retard made it a no brainer for Singletary to excel in his first draft.  I don't think coming out in the Big Nickel will be a problem as Denver has a far better secondary than San Fran.  Picking up a great cover corner in the second in Alphonso Smith to add depth for this package was a great move and not drafting a DT who as I state will take three to five years to fully blossom in the first round is a great move also, as a 3-4 NT needs to be strong and stout at the point of attack but nothing else these kind of players can be found in FA and late in the draft.  As far as players being great in a rotational front isn't that what all D's are trying to due these days?  Not one great player but multiple solid players?  Nolan built the core of your team and as I stated did not have the knowledge to handle all aspects of head coaching, he will be better for what he learned in San Fran while not good for fans from the bay after having a dismal D that played as a 4-3 but was obviously better suited to move to a 3-4 cover D Denver fans will be happy for any improvement at all.  Had your D aquired guys like Champ and Weapon X you would not be crying so much about that big nickel package he runs.  Teams take time to build Shannarat imploded our team for years and had two good drafts his whole career, prior to that he was much like Nolan a has been.  Now with a better team at his side he could do some great things but only time will tell and Singletary may just get lucky and one of your QB's might catch fire with Crabtree could be a hell of a season for 49er fans. 

Since: Nov 16, 2006
Posted on: May 4, 2009 4:42 pm

Nolan and D are forgotten?

Part of my reply got cut off...

Funny that you would knock Singletary. he had more balls to to run the team and say the things that needed to be said over what Nolan did. Nolan let Martz do what he wanted while Singletary reeled him back in. The difference is a team that went 2-5 (losing 4 in a row) under Nolan finishing 5-4 under Singletary. How would you explain it?

Since: Nov 16, 2006
Posted on: May 4, 2009 4:34 pm

Nolan and D are forgotten?

That's fine. But those players came too late. Willis & Gore turned out fine along with Parys Haralson. Nolan took Balmer 3 years too late. Balmer will be good in time, but not right away. You've listed only a handful of players out of the many that were drafted. Go through the rest of the drafts and compare the failures to the successes. Nolan took way too long to get those players in the lineups. I'll tell you what though, if your satisfied with a defensive improvement going from 32nd to 25th in three years, then Nolan's your guy. But you can look to the Dolphins and the Falcons that didn't need 3 years to turn things around (or 5 years as you see it). The proof is in the numbers. Nolan may be a hero in Denver, but maybe the game has passed him by.

And BTW, I never had a problem with the cover 2 3-4. Singletary left that in place. But wait until Nolan starts running that big-sub nickel package as his base defense. Then you'll know what I'm talking about. Why do you think he loaded up on all those DB's in the draft?

I thought Wade Phillips ran a 3-4? Didn't Shanahan switch to a 4-3? I also don't think that Wade would've won two Super Bowls for you guys. Do you think Wade would've discovered Terrell Davis? Jay Cutler? Brandon Marshall? Wade has been handed everything to him in Dallas and look how he's finished the past two seasons. So there goes the theory about inheriting good teams. Wade helped wreck the house that Parcells built.

Funny that you would knock Singletary. he had more balls to to run the team and say the things that needed to be said over what Nolan did. Nolan let Martz do what he wanted while

But you want to talk about 3-5 years down the road when the best drafted are now eligible to leave the team? There needs to be better progress between years 1-3. Nolan also went 2-5 the first seven games of 2008. So "No". I don't know where you're coming from.

But as I said above. I wish Broncos fans and Nolan the best of luck. What he should be doing is building the defensive line first, not drafted a ton of DB's that will hang in coverage all day long. You guys could've had Evander Hood at #18 or Ron Brace in round 2. Both these guys are 3-4 NT types. Now you're pinning your hopes on Ronald Fields to anchor the D-line. Fields was a solid rotational guy here in San Francisco, but he was by no means starter material.

Since: Mar 31, 2008
Posted on: May 4, 2009 3:42 pm

Nolan and D are forgotten?

OK so why dont you go ahead and give up Manny Lawson and Patrick Willis and now this year you will more than likely see Balmer be more of a force after adjusting to the speed of the game and learning a few new moves to get by the O-Line.  Go ahead and let those guys go I hope you do we could rebuild the whole D with those guys.  Point being all these players are young and have yet to truely blossom but in the next two years your D could become a force and then what it was all Mike Singletary?  Yeah right I don't buy it.  Plus our opinion of him here in Denver is quite different as he has been an intergral part of some of the greatest years in Bronco history.  Next lets move on to a little guy named Frank Gore who drafted him?  Not Singletary that's for sure.  Nolan can not coach a whole team and as far as D-Coordinator jobs went none of those teams allow their D-Coordinator to make any choice on draft picks.  All in all the only thing that was bad is his cover two style 3-4 right?  Here is the problem with that your guys have to be able to get the pass rush and when most of your front seven are in their first five years you don't get that pass rush the  fans are expecting so one coach comes in to build and or re-build gets fired and next coach reaps the benefits, gets long term deal and slowly destroys team himself.  Take Wade Phillips for example becomes head coach of Denver and has to re-build around Elway as well as getting younger on D.  Wade has a few bad years while rebuilding the core of a bad D and trying to hold together an aging Offense. Gets fired and in comes the savior Shannarat.  Get my point?

Since: Nov 16, 2006
Posted on: May 4, 2009 2:52 pm

Nolan and D are forgotten?

I'll be brutally honest. As someone who witnessed what Nolan did the past 3 1/2 years, your D will probably see only minimal improvement in the next few years. It is better to understand what Nolan wants to do and surround him with the talent than to let him decide which players to draft or sign. If what happened in San Francisco doesn't convince you, then read the blog below.

The interesting thing is that Nolan didn't contribute much in his time as the DC for the Giants or Redskins. His only successful stint was with the Ravens...after they won the Super Bowl and Marvin Lewis left. So Nolan didn't build that defense, he just ran it.

I wish you the best of luck with Nolan and hope that he learned a few things from his time here in San Francisco.

Since: Mar 31, 2008
Posted on: May 2, 2009 12:52 pm

Nolan and D are forgotten?

HEAR is what I mean. 

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