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What's wrong with the Giants D?

Posted on: December 14, 2009 12:18 pm
 
It never fails me when either at the stadium watching a Giants game or reading fellow Giants fans rants/raves on various websites, how much people miss the boat.  Bottom line, your never as good as when you win (like last week vs Dallas) and never as bad a loss (like last night vs Philly).  This is a .500 team, with talent to be a .625 (10-6) or even a 12-4 (.750) team if things break right.

Last night, Eli was solid.  His throws were accurate, but people will remember the fumble (which shouldn't have been).  The defense stopped the run (for the most part) except for the critical 4th quarter drive that put the Eagles back up by 14 for the 3rd time in the game, 45-31.

But, with all of that, the boards and the pundits, want to pin this game on the defensive coordinator.  Albeit, at a certain point, the coordinator needs to make the right calls, but folks, the coordinator doesn't tackle and the coordinator doesn't rush the QB.  Our secondary is weak because the d-line can't rush the QB.  When we blitz, the guys can't get to the QB, so that leaves huge swaths of field and time enough to write a book for a veteran QB, like McNabb, to pick it apart.  Where was Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora last night?  Where has Canty been?  Robbins (other than his blocked EP)?  IMO, the reason for the defensive issues this year has been our d-line.  We came into this season thinking that the d-line was the best in football.  We added depth and we had a solid rotation of guys.  That group, more than any other on our roster, has failed us.  And its failed us not just rushing the passer, but exposing our weak secondary and sub-par linebackers.

This defensive scheme is predicated on how the guys up front make everyone better (or worse).  After you look at it in this fashion, you will see that all of this poor performance is not on the coordinator, although if we don't make the playoffs, he will be the scapegoat, along with the injury to Kenny Phillips.

The way that this team has performed defensively this year, Spags couldn't have saved these guys.

Category: NFL
Tags: Defense, Giants, Osi, Tuck
 
Comments

Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2009 8:02 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

But it's not the same scheme at all. Why do you say it is? There are similarities but it's a different defensive coordinator with a different coaching style with different ways of preparation and different relationships with the players and the scheme is not as aggressive. Once again you try to insinuate that it's the scheme that a team runs that matters and they should be able to just plug in some schmuck D coordinator off the street to coach the team and everything will be great.

Maybe the players don't like playing for Sheridan or maybe they just don't relate to him as well as they did Spags. The players loved to play for Spags and that's well documented. I don't ever remember any of the players walking out on a meeting when Spags was here, do you? Not to say that Umeniora should have walked out of a meeting earlier this year or that it was in any way Sheridans fault necessarily but he still walked out. 



Since: Dec 15, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2009 10:04 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

Listen, the big problem with the giants D are the linebackers. Since Antonio Pierce went down, the Giants haven't had a great veteran presence to anchor this defense, wich, in my opinion can do great things with the pass rush they can put on. And now, they don't have anyone who can really step in and replace Pierce. Chase Blackburn? Jonathan Goff? I don't think so. And since this Giants pass rush isn't living up to it's potential, the rawness of the G-Men's linebackers is being exposed. Let's face it, a sub-par pass rush, and raw linebcakers, dosen't help, in my opinion, a talented secondary.



Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2009 8:25 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

Goat-LT-56 - I agree that Sheridan will be the scapegoat if we don't make the playoffs and the D continues to be the issue, but I think you help prove my point about the issue this season with the D.  When you keep the same scheme used to win a Super Bowl and add some depth in key areas and you still don't perform, that's on the players, not on the coach.  As I stated in my original post, the key to this entire defense is the front 4 and when they don't get pressure on the QB, that exposes a mediocre LB corps and a weak secondary.   We have 26 sacks on the season; 13 in the first 5 games and 13 in the last 8.  I don't have the numbers on QB pressures, but you can be certain that we haven't had nearly as many as we did in those first 5 games over these last 8 games.  When we blitz, which everyone wants Sheridan to do, we put even more pressure on our LBs and secondary to cover and, as we saw on Sunday night vs Philly, a guy like McNabb doesn't need a lot of time to find open receivers on the blitz, especially when the pressure doesn't get there fast enough AND you leave the middle of the field wide open.  If you watched last nights' game, SF put pressure on Kurt Warner with 3 guys up front.  We can't do it with a "vaunted" group of 4 like we have.  Still think this season's defensive demise is Sheridan's fault?  I'm one of the many who believe that Spags was the reason why we won the Super Bowl two years ago.  He started out slow, too.  Defensive coordinator's are not a dime a dozen, but the scheme we are using is the same one that one the Super Bowl, with effectually the same cast of characters, certainly a more experienced group of d-lineman (minus Strahan).  I believe that the players haven't done the job.  I respect your opinion about Sheridan, but I just don't agree.



Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2009 4:46 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

Thanks for filling us in on what happened to the Giants, axeman. And I like the term DeSean'd, LOL.
Tell me, What's the condition called when your favorite team has gotten soooo close to winning it all soooo any times but always falls short? What's that condition called axeman?



Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2009 4:40 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

Bill Sherridan should be the scapegoat.



Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2009 4:35 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

They wouldn't be performing this way under Spags. In fact they never performed this way under Spags. Your post makes it sound like Defensive coordinators are a dime a dozen and an organization can just plug anyone in there and they have little effect on the actual game.
I bet you think Buddy Ryan was just lucky to have all those good defenses and that his son Rex is just lucky too. Is it coincidence that the Giants had 53 sacks in 2007, 42 in 2008, 1st and 6th in the league under Spags, and this year after adding Canty, Bernard, and Boley they are 22nd in the league with 26 under Sheridan? And don't say it's injuries, Umeniora missed all last year and Kenny Phillips wasn't even a starter.
Do you know what the difference is between the Saints at 13-0 this year, and the Saints of the previous few years is???
Defensive coordinator, Greg Williams! 



Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2009 4:01 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

, I'm afraid it is you that has missed the boat in your assessment. Although you are correct on some of your points you are wrong about one major point. If the Giants defense was dominant and the line abused opposing Quarterbacks while under Steve Spagnuolo and now after adding major depth to an already dominant line they can't stop anyone, it's only one persons fault. ( BILL SHERRIDAN ),( BILL SHERRIDAN ),( BILL SHERRIDAN )!!! It's one thing if you have a player or two that arent getting itn done but nobody on that Defense has been getting it done. It's Bill Sherridan's fault 100%.


Do I make myself clear?



Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2009 12:47 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

No question, ESPNKid... I've been saying for weeks (especially thru the losing streak) that the Giants need to go back to what they are founded on; namely, running the ball and stopping the run.  They've seemed to have recovered the last few weeks in stopping the run and running the ball overall, but whether its turnovers or poor play calls (the 3rd and 5 draw play to Bradshaw from the Eagles 43 in the 4th qtr right before the Eagles scored their last TD come to mind) are killing us in big games.  As previously posted, this was a barn-burner/street game kind of game that was going to come down to big plays.  When we tried to control the clock, we couldn't/didn't. 

I agree with you about the dome.  Giants want their opponents to come into NY and play the elements.  However, in the new stadium, we have no idea what factor the wind will be.  In Giants Stadium you can always count on the wind gusting in the East endzone.  Something that didn't happen the other night, but is more common than not in December/January.



Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2009 12:41 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

Nice summary.  I really thought that I was watching a street game, you know, the QB tells his fastest guy to go long and the QB just chucks it up there and the guy runs under it.

Field conditions weren't great, but they were the same for both teams.

I read this am where Michael Johnson blew the coverage on the DeSean (I'll walk in backwards) Jackson TD bomb.

Anyway, Giants still have a good shot at the playoffs since Dallas will probably lose another game or two down the stretch.  Giants need to run the table and hope that the last game doesn't mean anything to Minny...




Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2009 12:39 pm
 

What's wrong with the Giants D?

A good point that I can agree with but will not accept as an excuse because the Giants D has looked like that in good weather (at phi, vs atl, vs sdg) or in a dome (@NO).  Giants football is built around pounding the rock on offense and playing defense.  What have they done poorly in comparison to the past few years?  They didn't want this new stadium to have a roof because Giants football is built to play in the cold sloppy NY winters.  This team doesn't play that way though.


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