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Brad May vs Dallas Stars

Posted on: November 19, 2009 12:22 pm
 
Last night, Brad May and the Detroit Red Wings faced off against the Dallas Stars in Detroit.  Dallas and the officials (on and off the ice) got the better of Detroit in this one, and finished that game up 3-1.  The major focus of conversation in regards to this game was a disallowed goal that was 'scored' by Brad May.  Along with that, I'm going to focus on the Brad May v. Krys Barch fight in the second period.

First, the disallowed goal.  At 6:24 of the second period, Brad May was in the slot and sent a backhand on goal.  The puck went directly over the line and sat between the pad of Alex Auld and the padding at the side of the net.  The whistle clearly did not sound for a second or two, and when it did, the referee said no goal.  This is an understandable mistake as from his vantage point, he could not see the puck.  But through the miracle of science, the NHL has video replay.  As a matter of fact, they have a 'room' in Toronto that watches every game in progress and assists the on ice officials in cases of video replay.  The first replay that was shown during the game clearly showed the puck crossing the line immediately.  Auld never stopped it, slowed it down and deflected it.  It went over the line, hit his toe and was stopped by the side of the net.  So this should have been a clear goal when it was reviewed in Toronto.

But the referee 'had the intent to blow the whistle' which is the most ridiculous bit of nonsense I think I have heard.  Even in the case where the referee did actually have intent to blow the whistle to stop the play, he hasn't and the play is still live.  But in this case especially, it's truly awe inspiring that the referee had the intent to blow the whistle on a live play (May in the slot with the puck), or a shot that went directly over the goal line.  Why does the on ice official have the power to make that call in today's age of video replay?  And if he has this power to overrule undeniable video evidence of a goal, why is the NHL spending however many millions of dollars using the equipment?  I  for one feel clearer lines have to be drawn in regards to the 'intent to blow the whistle' scenario.

Second, the May/Barch fight that happened a little over a minute later.  Now, for the record, I have no problem with fighting in hockey.  I don't want to get into a discussion about whether fighting is wrong or right, that's not the point of what I'm about to say.  As I said, I have no problem with fights in hockey, but I am beginning to develop an issue with pointless preplanned fights.  Players who sign their fight card in the pregame, talk about it in the first period and then go through with it in the second period.

During the pregame warm up, Krys Barch skated over to Brad May twice.  They shared a few words, apparently a few laughs and then went about their warm up.  During the first period, Barch again skated up to May and said a few words.  May shook his head "no" and motioned to his head.  And then in the second period, at 7:21 while the puck was being recovered on a dump in, the fight started.

So what changed between the first and second periods that would make Brad May change his mind and decide to fight?  Well, the score was closer, he had just had the above mentioned goal disallowed, and he wasn't wearing a visor this period.  Yeah, he took his visor off his helmet for the second period.  When he came out in the first, visor on.  Second, visor off.  Third, visor back on.  To me, that's a clear sign of a premeditated fight, not one brought about for any other reason but for the fight itself.  I don't understand the point of that kind of fight.  They're not fighting with the intent to fire up the team, they're not 'righting' some past wrong, they're just throwing punches at each other.

I may be making this seem a little hard on Brad May, which is not my intention.  I think May did what he would hope anyone fighting him would do and took off the visor for the fight.  To even up the discussion a little bit, I'll leave with these bits of information about his opponent in the fight, and likely the person who made the arrangements during pregame, Krys Barch -
  • Krys Barch missed about 2 weeks because of a back injury
  • Been back for 3 games: Nov 12 (SJ), 14 (PHO) and 18 (DET)
  • Has averaged about 6:45 ice time over those three games
  • Has 1 shot on goal in those 3 games
  • Has a fighting major in each of those games...



Category: NHL
Comments

Since: Apr 24, 2007
Posted on: November 19, 2009 5:29 pm
 

Brad May vs Dallas Stars

jbrbi (jeff),

First, thanks for reading and replying.

Second, by your logic ("if there was dirty refs in the NBA, don't think that the NHL is any different") all sport has biased officiating.  But I luckily don't agree with your logic.  Sure, human error plays a huge part in the way games are called, but there is not a conspiracy within the league to hold back certain teams.  I've been hearing a lot of Red Wings fans the last couple days saying that the league (and Bettman) are unfairly targeting them.  It's tragic fallacy.

Third, you switched your logic from saying the NBA/NHL/boxing are all crooked to saying that it's marketing and then back to saying that you want to watch clean sports.  So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with this statement, sorry.  Marketing on its own is not 'crooked' (at least not in the way that you're using the term 'crooked' here) and though the leagues do market their top players excessively, it doesn't make them any more crooked than the leading breweries or clothing manufacturers.

And after doing a little research into your postscript, I now know what you're talking about, but not sure what it has to do with Brad May, his disallowed goal, the fight against Barch, the game in question, or hockey.  But thanks for the update.



Since: Apr 24, 2007
Posted on: November 19, 2009 5:13 pm
 

Brad May vs Dallas Stars

Hey KM9K, you're right.  Now that I read the story again, it was in the third period that the goal was disallowed.  I beg to be forgiven on that fact, as I was playing pool at the bar while the game was on and a few of the details did become a little foggy overnight. :)

And I wasn't particularly trying to draw parallels between the two events, though I did make a quick mention of it, it was only in passing.  The true purpose of the post was to focus on the two issues seperately, but within one easy posting.

And as I said, I have no problem with fighting in the game, and it was a good scrap.  Both players are on their teams for a reason, and fighting is a large part of that reason.  They both threw some big punches and stayed on their feet for some time.  So, I agree with you on the 'fun to watch' comment completely.  And I don't expect or ask for any stronger penalties for guys who plan their fights, I just don't agree that it is doing anything positive for either team to see a fight like that. I can't see it pumping up the teams because everyone on the bench has to be aware that it's going to happen.  It's no surprise to anyone, and even a well fought scrap like that is just part of the planned activities.

Thanks for the reply, and the correction...




Since: Oct 8, 2009
Posted on: November 19, 2009 3:03 pm
 

Brad May vs Dallas Stars

Your timeline is off here. The fight happened in the second period. The disallowed goal happened in the third period. I don't think either one had anything to do with the other. This doesn't invalidate your opinions here or anything. In fact it makes your point about pre-planned fights even stronger. But the because the fight happened about a full period before the "no-goal" -- I don't think you can draw any paralells between the two events.

The fight was "planned." As was explained by the Wings broadcasting crew, Barch and May had fought each other numerous times (5) in the past and had sort of a side-game going on with each other. This is not anything new in hockey. I recall Darren McCarty dropping the gloves with another player a couple of seasons ago because he said he (I'll paraphrase) 'owed him a favor' from another game in the past. I personally don't have an issue with tough guys doing this, but there are a lot of people (like yourself) who do. Fighting has been sort of absent from games in Motown for quite some time now. And, IMO, it's about time they got a tough guy in there who fights a lot. Pointless? Maybe. Fun to watch? IMHO yes.



Since: Aug 26, 2008
Posted on: November 19, 2009 2:11 pm
 

Brad May vs Dallas Stars

IVE SAID IT BEFORE    IF THERE WAS DIRTY REFS IN THE NBA  DONT THINK THAT THE NHL IS ANY DIFFERANT.  WITH  REVIEWS GOING ON IN TORONTO  ITS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT   ITS A DIRTY SPORT.   SAME THING  THAT HAPPENDED TO DET IN THE LAST FINALS  WITH PTTS.    ITS A DIRTY CROOKED SPORT.  I QUIT WATCHING BOXING FOR THE SAME REASON, AND I FIND MY SELF   NOT WATCHING HOCKEY .  THE NBA DOES THE SAME THING WITH  LEBRON JAMES IN CLEV   ITS MARKETING BUT  U CAN HAVE IT  I WANT CLEAN SPORTS TO WATCH  .  U CAN HAVE IT  UNTILL SOMETHING CHANGES  IN THE NHL  NBA AND BOXING     
;    THANKS,   JEFF   

 PS  HOW IN THE WORLD CAN  ESPN  HIRE MATT MILLAN   AND EXPECT ANYONE TO WATCH OR LISTEN TO WHAT THAT NITWIT HAS TO SAY.   LOOKS LIKE ITS JUST THE GOOD OLE BOYS TAKING CARE OF EACH OTHER.     HE HAS SET BACK THE LIONS  5-6 YRS AND HES SITTING THERE TELLING US  ABOUT THIS WEEKS GAMES.     WHAT A JOKE



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