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Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

Posted on: July 9, 2010 6:25 pm
Edited on: July 9, 2010 7:13 pm

Before the All-Star Game "counted," Pete Rose proved it mattered.

Or, at least, it did matter to Rose. But every game mattered to Rose. In the 1970 All-Star Game, he showed the rest of the country, if they didn't know already, that he'd do anything to win.

In what has become an essential part of Rose lore, he ran over Indians catcher Ray Fosse to score the winning run in the 12th inning of the 1970 game. (Box score)

The game was not only hosted by Rose's Reds, but also in his hometown of Cincinnati, where to this day, he is more remembered for 4,192 than his later gambling scandal.

Played July 14, 1970, it was just the 12th game at the new Riverfront Stadium. The Reds were Red, but they were yet Big or a Machine. In fact, Joe Morgan was in the game as an Astro, not a Red.

It was in the middle of a seven-game winning streak by the National League, and it appeared the AL would finally get a win, as Catfish Hunter entered the game with a 4-1 lead in the ninth and facing Dick Dietz, Bud Harrelson and Cito Gaston to seal the victory -- none of the trio would join Hunter in Cooperstown, and it's likely nobody expected them to do so.

Pete Rose Dietz, though, led off with a homer, followed by a single by Harrelson. After Gaston popped up, Morgan singled to right and that was it for Hunter, replaced by Fritz Peterson, who immediately gave up a single to Willie McCovey, scoring Harrelson and putting the tying run on third.

That was it for Peterson, replaced by Mel Stottlemyre, in to face pinch-hitter Roberto Clemente. Clemente lined out to center, but Morgan scored. Rose had a chance to win it, but struck out, sending the game to extra innings.

Rose wouldn't waste his second chance, singling to center with two outs in the 12th, advancing to second on Billy Grabarkewitz's single.

The next batter, Jim Hickman, singled to center and third-base coach Leo Durocher waved Rose home.

Rose was rounding third and saw Amos Otis fielding the ball and in a good to position to beat him with a throw home.

As he got closer to the plate, Rose leaned forward, ready to dive head-first into the plate, but Fosse had the plate blocked and Rose did what Rose would always do -- anything necessary to score.

With a full head of steam, Rose ducked his left shoulder into Fosse before the ball arrived, sending Fosse backward as the ball rolled harmlessly away.

In the difference between then and now, even the American League manager defended Rose.

"That's definitely the only way to play," Earl Weaver said. "You play to win. You don't compromise."

Pete Rose always played to win and never compromised, even in an exhibition.

-- C. Trent Rosecrans

More All-Star memories -- 2002: The Tie; 1999: The Kid steals the show; 1949: First integrated edition; 1941: Teddy Ballagame's walk-off homer

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 14, 2011 7:32 am
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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 12, 2011 9:18 pm

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

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Since: Sep 15, 2006
Posted on: July 13, 2010 6:47 pm

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

It sounds like you never ever played the game....or any competitive game..wasn't Fosse an "all-star" catcher?  Rose was looking to score..not to injure.  In the football all-star game...are you even allowed to touch the QB....i don't think so.

Since: Jun 2, 2010
Posted on: July 12, 2010 12:27 am

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

I wish they would let Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame! the MLB is full of steroid users who are no better than Pete Rose you think gambling on a baseball game is worse than using steroids just like Giambi,A Rod,Clemens i guess there are to many to list.some of the players who used steroids will be in the Hall of Fame what a shame to knock the all time hitting leader where it hurts!

Since: Dec 20, 2007
Posted on: July 11, 2010 5:19 pm

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

Playing ball in the old neiborhood noone I mean noone ever never emulated Pete Rose under penalty of being a dork. Cesar Cedeno in a memorable game against the Phillies in PR's later years made him look stupid as he singled to left to lead off. He advanced to 2nd on another single and took a wide turn around 2nd. Rose threw behind him and Cedeno ran to 3rd. The 2nd basemans throw hit Cedeno and rolled away behind 3rd. Cedeno scored , because Rose thought he was Clemente. He was booed the rest of the series.  Fosse was an up and coming superstar who was never the same. So Ray Fosse, Tony Conigliaro, DIckie Thon, Roy Campanella and how many others made that sacrifice to the baseball gods?

Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: July 10, 2010 10:13 pm

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

The article does fail to mention the effect the collision had on Ray Fosse in a meaningless game. I'm no fan of Pete Rose but would say if the collision had not ruined Ray Fosse's career the play would have been viewed as "just Rose being Rose!" It's a shame that a very promising career was ended with that play...Cleveland didn't have much to cheer for back then but Ray Fosse was one of their bright spots.

Since: Feb 7, 2010
Posted on: July 10, 2010 7:15 pm

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

I am not a Pete Rose fan...not by any stretch of the imagination and I don't like that an All-Star career was cut short but I really long for a time when All-Star games become relavent again.  I am sure it will never happen but when I read the old stories I wish I was there to see them.  That being said I am OK with Rose playing hard to get a victory.  I am so bitter about the All-Star contest since the year that Selig called the game in extra innings as a tie.  That was ridiculous.  I wish players had that pride they used to have but for most it's about the money (although money is nice too) and prolonging their careers and resting.  Winners of the All-Star game should receive a cut of the revenue generated ;) maybe they will play harder!  I miss the bench jockeys like Larry Bowa and those guys that would hurl insults at the opposing teams (although I didn't like Larry Bowa back then).  Oh well, it's a new era but it's still fun.  It just will never be the same. 

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: July 10, 2010 5:46 pm

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

Play hard and play to win, what is wrong with that from a professional athlete?!!  Now if this was a HS or youth game then of course the rolling of a catcher is over the top.  But these men are paid to win, paid to score, paid to ENTERTAIN.  Pete Rose was the ultimate competitor and should never be held up as anything more than a baseball player.  The best player ever, no, but nobody played harder, nobody with more passion, doing more with less, and achieving greatness.  Pete Rose has more hits than anybody in the game, ever, so either he gets in the HOF or they put an asterick on the dang door!!

14 forever

Since: Jan 14, 2009
Posted on: July 10, 2010 12:32 pm

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

he wasnt called charlie hustle for nohing. fosse didnt need to block the plate in an exibithion game.

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: July 10, 2010 9:31 am

Rose-Fosse collision still resonates

Sportsmanship?  Blocking the plate is against the rules and always has been. Catchers should expect to be knocked over for doing so.  But I agree it was a shame that Fosse was never the same after that play.

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