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Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

Posted on: November 11, 2010 10:19 am
Jayson Werth Not all national writers are the same when it comes to certain teams. All national baseball writers have to live somewhere and start somewhere. That's why when it comes to Phillies stuff, if I hear it from ESPN's Jayson Stark, I take it to the bank.

Stark talked to a "Phillies source" on the odds Philadelphia can bring back Jayson Werth. The answer? "No chance. None. Zero."

Stark says it's not the money as much as the years, as the Phillies don't want to be tied down to Werth in his advanced years. Werth will turn 32 next season and will be looking for a long-term contract, five or six years. With Domonic Brown coming, Philadelphia doesn't what to be hamstrung with an aging Werth.

An interesting addition, Stark throws Jeff Francoeur as a name out there as a stop-gap solution for Philly.

-- C. Trent Rosecrans

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Since: Nov 2, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:55 pm

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

Werth is represented by Scott Boras, who apparently is looking for "Matt Holliday" money, meaning a seven-year deal worth $120 million. I'm not one to doubt Boras' ability to screw some team into that kind of long-term investment, but I'm just not sure anyone will bite, especially considering Werth will be 32 next May, and then would be 39 at the end of a seven-year contract. A more realistic goal could be 's four-year, $66 million contract. In the end, I'd guess he gets something in between, maybe five years and $85 million?

With this being said--The Phillies COULD afford $17 million a year for Werth.......

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:04 pm

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

please say you are just kidding?
Fransisco was a bench player for the worst team in baseball (The Indians)
This window is closing fast and cant have Dominic Brown and Francisco out there stinking it up all year next year
especially if Utley and Rollins have sub-par years again

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:02 pm

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

"Phillies will have the best SP's in MLB next year"
we supposedly had the best pitching this postseason and it wasnt close to being enough.

Now we have Oswalt all of next year big deal what does that matter if he is not great int he playoffs and we cant hit again.
Jason Werth was the best player on this team in the playoffs (offensively)

Domonic Brown is not the answer another left handed bat that will strikeout 200-300 times next year and be a butcher in right field
This team better move Rollins or somebody and get some younger and talented players

Since: Jun 13, 2010
Posted on: November 12, 2010 1:42 pm

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

You sound like a joke. You obviously know nothing about Philly baseball, and are more like a fair-weather fan. 27HR and 85 RBI are FAR from mediocre. Where did you ever get the idea or thought that those stats are mediocre? In the post-steroid era, those are gaudy numbers. Do your research.

And, to say that he had a problem with Philly fans? Are you out of your mind? He is beloved in Philly. And, you must be a Met fan trying to disguise yourself as a Phills fan, because, sorry to say, we Phillies Phaitful are not a bunch of raging lunatics screaming out of our car windows at players or whoever else. That's the sterotype put on us by all in the national media. You just got sucked into it, but it's ok, because you are not a real Phillies Phan.

Now, about Ibanez...he signed a 3-yr agreement with the Phillies at age are correct. But, his track record prior to that, from 2004-2008, between ages 32-36, he averaged a .291 batting average with 23 HR and 98 RBI, while playing an avg of 151 games a year. There was no sign of him breaking down. Try signing a guy with those numbers (very close to Werth the past 3 yrs) to less than $15 million a year while entering his prime. It doesn't happen.

I agree, it is ultimately about money, but that's ok. Just get your facts straight. I for one have a limit as to how much I'll pay to attend a game in person. To have a ticket rise $15-20 a seat over the course of 3-4 yrs is a little much.

Since: Jan 30, 2008
Posted on: November 12, 2010 12:41 pm

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

I have a hard time believing that anybody associated with the Phillies said that the reason they won't re-sign Werth is because they don't want to be tied down to him for a long-term contract because Dominic Brown is coming along. First, Werth is 31 years-old, which is hardly ancient by baseball standards. Second, they signed Raul Ibanez to a three-year contract when he was 37 years-old. And third, Ibanez's contract is up after this season; if they need a spot for Brown, they can plug him into left field in 2012 after he gets another year's seasoning in the minors.

This is about money. I hope the Phils management doesn't feel that it has to lie to the fans in this situation. We know the team doesn't have the wallets of the Yanks or the Red Sox or the Mets. If they make a business decision that it's in the long-term interests of the team to let Werth go based on $$$, that's fine. They've mostly made the right moves the last four or five years, so the fans will be willing to believe that letting him go will be a positive move in the end as well. But don't try to pull the wool over our eyes, because the goodwill that has been built up in this franchise over the last decade can vaporate very easily if they start trying to pull the same junk the Eagles do.

Since: Feb 16, 2008
Posted on: November 12, 2010 12:23 pm

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

See you later Werth.  Don't get me wrong, I like Werth, but his BA with RISP is less than .200.  Overall his numbers are fine, but most of his stats come during garbage time, not when it counts.   Why bring him back with a mega million dollar contract when you can have Brown play for $400K??  Time to let Brown play, bring in another right handed bat to fill the gap and let the pitching take care of the rest.   Phillies will have the best SP's in MLB next year.   The need to build up a bullpen and let Brown take his lumps.  They still have Utley, Polanco, Howard, etc. (Utley and Howard both had sub par years) to fill the gap.  They will be fine w/o Werth and he's not "werth" the $ that Boras will be asking for him.  

Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2010 11:35 am

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

The Phillies do need a right handed bat, but I think Ben Francisco if he gets everyday at bats can fill that role.  If you platoon Brown and Francisco and sometimes play Brown and use Francisco instead of Ibanez, then I think the Phillies will be fine. They need to add another minor right handed bat because ideally next year they could platoon Francisco/Brown and Ibanez with another right handed hitter like Francouer.  That way when tough lefties pitch, they can have righty bats to throw up there.  You have to remember Rollins and Victorino are switch hitters, Ruiz and Polanco are righties, so if you added Francisco and Francouer into the mix, you could throw 6 righties up there against most lefties, with Howard and Utley remaining in the lineup as your lone lefties.  That's not bad.  I would be willing to sign Werth for 3 years, beyond that, they should let him walk.

Since: Feb 9, 2008
Posted on: November 12, 2010 10:41 am

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

The Phils need a right hand bat badly as they have problems doing anything against even medicre lefties and to add Brown to lineup will make their annemic offense just plain offensive against lefties.  Geez, Bochy just used all his lefties to totally shut down Phils in game 6. Phils offense is useless against guys like Affeldt, Lopez, etc.

I think Phils will go with platoon of Brown and Francisco early in season and see how it goes.  Their starting pitching should carry them this year to division title even with decrepit offense and $25 million invested in Howard who has no power against any quality lefties but will fatten up stats against the Nats and the rest of NL's garbage pitching.  During season the move that makes sense and Phils should/will look into is to acquire Ryan Braun who would be a perfect fit for this offense.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2010 10:29 am

Report: 'Zero' chance Werth stays in Philly

Werth is the Phillies best outfielder and you people are calling him mediocre. You want to see mediocre, look at the guy who is in left field, Raul Ibanez. He was great for the one year he replaced Pat Burrell, but guess what Pat is better then him right now and instead of replacing just one outfield position, now you have to replace Werth and eventually Ibanez.

Since: Nov 12, 2010
Posted on: November 12, 2010 10:14 am
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