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Did Red Sox mess up in not signing Martinez?

Posted on: November 25, 2010 2:26 pm
Edited on: November 25, 2010 2:28 pm
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Hot Stove League Did the Red Sox mess up in not signing Victor Martinez?

On one hand, giving four years to an aging catcher rarely works out well. It's a near lock that by year four, the Tigers will be looking forward to the expiration of Martinez' deal just like they did for Magglio Ordonez and are anticipating with Carlos Guillen.

However, does that necessarily  mean the deal is a poor one?

After all, for the next two-to-three years, the Tigers have a premier bat in the middle of the order. While Detroit plans to use him as primarily DH, Boston would have kept him as its backstop for at least the next two seasons. He would have provided incredible value over and above most other catchers, which may have been worth the extra year.

And after those two years, V-Mart could have shifted to first or DH. It's debatable whether he would have had the stick to last at those positions at that point, but one has to imagine he would still be able to bring the thunder. With the flexibility Martinez offers, the team would have been able to go into many different directions -- up to and including trading Martinez if push came to shove.

The Red Sox have experience with a tough situation in the last couple years of a deal, with Mike Lowell finally being erased from the payroll. This may have influenced Boston's thinking, but Martinez is in a bit of a different situation than Lowell, able to catch, play first and DH and would likely have more residual trade value than the longtime Marlin. In addition, injuries largely sunk Lowell and those can't be predicted.

Martinez Over the last few years, GM Theo Epstein has become far more conservative in deals, such as Mark Teixeira. The notable exception is the curious (panic-motivated?) signing of John Lackey. That philosophy has reduced the Red Sox's chances of getting bit, but it's also reduced Boston's chances of contending.

  (It would be a disservice to Epstein here to not point out the decisions that have worked out as a result of his philosophy. Exhibit A is Jason Bay, who may yet still bounce back for New York. You can't assume Bay would have struggled in Fenway like he did for the Mets, nor that he would have suffered a concussion, but facts are facts, and Bay turned in a terrible season.)

Jarrod Saltalamacchia is long on potential and could end up with a Jason Varitek-ian career in Boston, but he could just as easily wash out of his third organization. Boston likely would have been better on the field with Martinez than Saltalamacchia in 2011 and 2012 (unless Salty finally lives up to expectations).

Given the team is built to win now, is the value of those two years worth a potential dropoff in the fourth year of the deal -- or even third year? Is the increased chance of a World Series in the next two seasons worth that one season of gritting your teeth and waiting for Martinez' deal to expire -- if it even happens?

Tough questions. No way to answer them.

But this much is clear: Epstein has become far more conservative in recent years, and has drawn the ire of the fanbase as a result. Whether or not Epstein's lack of going for the jugular is truly holding the team back is a mystery yet to be solved.

-- Evan Brunell

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TROY FOREVER
Since: Dec 29, 2006
Posted on: November 26, 2010 6:54 pm
 

Did Red Sox mess up in not signing Martinez?

I don't think you can make the statement of where he would rank as a firstbaseman because of statistics mostly garnered while catching.
One might have to concede that if he didn't have to catch, and played firstbase all the time, his stats might be better. And maybe he doesn't get injured playing firstbase. But back to catching, Johnny Bench wasn't the hitter later in his career either. But you can also tell me what team has won lately without a top catcher.


cgubata
Since: Aug 16, 2007
Posted on: November 26, 2010 12:29 pm
 

Did Red Sox mess up in not signing Martinez?

I don't think they messed up. This was purely mathematical. Victor Martinez's value and excellence comes from, and is limited to, his ability to catch. As a catcher, he is probably the second best offensive catcher in baseball behind Joe Mauer. As a first baseman, he is exceptionally average. Off of the top of my head, I could count off at least 10 - 12 first basemen who are better offensively then Martinez (not to mention that he is only an average defender). Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard, Adrian Gonzalez, Prince Fielder, Mark Teixeira, Kevin Youkilis, Miguel Cabrera, Joey Votto, Paul Konerko and Adam Dunn. That is without looking at the stats, but I know that I would rather have one of those ten guys to be my everyday first baseman rather than V-Mart. As a catcher, I'd tak Mauer first, and then him. My point is if the Sox had paid him what he wanted, around $13 million a season for 4 years at age 32, then he would be being paid as an elite first baseman. But...he's not. He's an elite catcher, not as 1st base.

I like V-Mart, I really do and I thought he handled the pitching staff well and was a big factor in Clay Buchholz and Jon Lester continuing to take steps to being top-tier Cy Young caliber pitchers. But he, even as a catcher who would make 125-135 starts this season, is close to not being worth $13 million, and certainly won't be worth it at age 36, when he will probably only be making 50 starts at catcher for the Tigers, and a bunch of starts at DH. Sad to see him go, but it was the right move on the Sox part.


TROY FOREVER
Since: Dec 29, 2006
Posted on: November 25, 2010 8:55 pm
 

Did Red Sox mess up in not signing Martinez?

This is definitely a wait and see, but it could be the biggest bone-headed (we want to save $$) decision by Theo and ownership. As of this moment because Martinez is gone, the phrase you have to be strong down the middle says we have a hole in the middle as of now.
If Salty plays well, stays healthy, then it wont be so bad. The team has a lot of decisions to make. Firstbase/Thirdbase. Youk is one but where? Lowrey could be the 3b if he stays healthy. Does Kalish break into the OF full-time (with no injuries to Ellsbury or Cameron (and I am not assuming Cameron remains)?  Does Scutaro go or stay? Not happy with his glove work. Martinez leaving leaves another whole to fill. They need another receiver now and the cost probably went up a little because the FA and his agent know that. If I was willing to see Martinez walk, I would have signed another catcher before hand. With the current cast you probably would be just as happy having Martinez as a full-time firstbaseman and emergency catcher. So I don't know if we messed up. As usual, time will tell. I only know the task of putting a likely contender on the field got a little stickier.


beerman99
Since: Oct 27, 2010
Posted on: November 25, 2010 4:19 pm
 

Did Red Sox mess up in not signing Martinez?

They made the choice to be frugal for once. Martinez probably would have replicated his numbers this upcoming season, but it was inevitable his numbers would decline given the life of the contract. If you are going to sink big dollars into a player, you may as well have that player be a young one that will produce throughout the life of the contract. Martinez isn't a difference maker on this team, they could go out and sign a Torreabla and he would slightly below Martinez at a much reduced payroll number. Use those dollars to shore up the Outfield or the Rotation.


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