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Rangers make offer to Lee

Posted on: December 9, 2010 9:20 pm
Edited on: December 10, 2010 11:19 am

Rangers owner Chuck Greenberg just called an unscheduled teleconference, leading to speculation a major announcement was forthcoming. Had the Rangers signed Lee? Were they giving up after hearing his latest demands? Twitter was atwitter with anticipation.

Turns out it was nothing. OK, not nothing, but nothing unexpected. Greenberg said, via Anthony Andro of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram , that the Rangers made an offer to Lee, and that Lee is "weighing options." Greenberg had traveled to Lee's Arkansas home Thursday to meet with the pitcher and agent Darek Braunecker. It's unknown whether this is the Rangers' first formal offer, but it's their first acknowledgement of one.

Greenberg would give no details about the length or terms of the offer, but said he was "optimistic." The Yankees are believed to have made Lee a seven-year offer earlier in the day.

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Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2010 12:09 am

Rangers make offer to Lee

bjmath--true, but Walter Peyton did have a ring from 1985--and he played a major role on that team

Since: Dec 10, 2010
Posted on: December 10, 2010 10:51 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

Since: Mar 21, 2009
Posted on: December 10, 2010 7:53 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

I woud ask Terry Man,  and I dont know much about this subject to comment on who was better but to say you are not the best pitcher because you do not have rings is an absurd statement. 

We all know in sport, athletes that were in our opinion the best at what they did but did not win. Barry Sanders, Walter Peyton. Archie Manning was good in his day.

Plus, last I saw, since the pitcher does not play every game, you are not even in control of the series, just a couple of games. 

Since: Mar 21, 2009
Posted on: December 10, 2010 7:50 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

Honestly what I hear from the lee camp is he is not doing anything.  His agent  is telling everyone  give me your best offer .  Now he will decide

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2010 7:29 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

Stats like ERA on their own can be deceiving too. Ryan faced DHs for most of his career. Ryan also pitched after the mound was lowered...imagine how many more Ks he may have them vs their peers..

Since: May 7, 2010
Posted on: December 10, 2010 5:02 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

Lee is just usingthe yankees to drive up the deal. Yankees are scrambleing after all the Bosten moves. Good work on Lee's part honestly im tired of hearing about it. I dont think the yankees need to give him a 7 year deal it would be a big mistake.

Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: December 10, 2010 4:55 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

if wins and winning % don't matter then look at the ERA's for ford and ryan.  ford is 2.75 and ryan is 3.19.  thats almost half a run better every game. 

here is an interesting stat.  ryans WHIP is 1.24 and Fords is 1.21.  however Ryans is like all walks and no hits lol.  he really walked the world. 

he was def a freak though and an all time great... remember when he beat down robin ventura when he was like 45 LOL.  ventura comes charging out and nolan grabs him, puts him in a head lock, and starts cracking him.

strike outs are overrated unless we are in fantasy baseball land.  a strike out is the same thing as a fly ball or ground ball unless there is a runner on 3rd with less then two outs who can score on a fly/ground ball.   

Since: Jan 3, 2010
Posted on: December 10, 2010 4:35 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

Pitchers that strikeout a lot of people usually walk a lot of people as well.  Blyleven is an exception as he is top 10 career strikeouts but not in top 20 career walks.  Don't look at Nolan Ryan's OPS against him, his BAA and strikeouts show how dominate he was.  His walks got him into trouble but his strikeouts got him out of a lot of trouble.  Look at Bill James adjusted win totals and see how Ryan stacks up against Ford.

Since: Sep 1, 2010
Posted on: December 10, 2010 4:01 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

I can see your point that whitey ford is amazing, however your emphasis on wins vs losses should not have any bearing on deciding how "good" a pitcher was. Nolan ryan didn't play for great teams most of his career which is why his losses are so high. His ridiculous K number is because he threw 100 mph pitches no one in that era could hit. The fact that he played at a high level over 4 decades is also a testament to how great he was. Felix Hernandaz was the best pitcher in 2010 and his wins/losses have no bearing on how great he was.

Since: Dec 10, 2010
Posted on: December 10, 2010 3:55 pm

Rangers make offer to Lee

Lee's not going to the Yamkees because he knows getting into the playoffs in the al east just became an impossibility. I'm a diehard red sox fan,but that aside,would u want to pitch to that line-up maybe 5 or 6 times next year. And then be under the scrutiny of the N.y. media and fans.Now the red sox r the front runners to get Russel Martin.WE really stuck it to N.Y this time and there isn't anything u can do about it.Hell they could have Pedroia and papi batting 8th and 9th with a potentential 150 160 sb'sat the top of the line up. Nobody's touching the red sox in 2011.So unless Lee is an idiot he's goin to Texas and avoiding the for certain heat. 

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