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Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

Posted on: December 14, 2010 9:17 am
Edited on: December 14, 2010 10:50 am
Cliff Lee What in the world of Mike Cuellar is going on?

By adding Cliff Lee to the already-potent Roy Halladay-Roy Oswalt-Cole Hamels top of the rotation, the Phillies potentially have the best top of the rotation since the Orioles had four 20-game winners in 1971 with Cuellar, Pat Dobson, Jim Palmer and Dave McNally.

It's certainly the best rotation since the mid-90s Braves that featured Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz, followed by someone like Steve Avery or Denny Neagle.

The bad news for the Phillies is that it wasn't starting pitching that let them down in October. It was not scoring enough runs against quality starting pitching from the Giants.

As for the offense, how has that changed? Jayson Werth, the team's best offensive player last season, is gone. Raul Ibanez and Placido Polanco are a year older -- and Jimmy Rollins seems to age two years for every year nowadays. He's not been the same player the last two years that he was before. There are also emerging questions about Chase Utley. And then there's Ryan Howard, who is still imposing in the lineup, but suddenly looks less protect and reminds people that he's 31 with fewer home runs than the year before in each of the last two seasons.

Still, ask most teams and they'd take their chances with Howard, Utley, Polanco and even roll the dice on whether Rollins will be happy, as long as they're behind a starting rotation for the ages, like the Phillies have accumulated.

The Phillies are the clear winner in this whole deal. Because even if there are chinks in the armor, it's still one heck of a suit of armor -- especially the sleeves.

For the Yankees, Andy Pettitte becomes that much more important to the Yankees. Pettitte has reportedly been mulling retirement, but is crucial to the team's rotation going forward. And if you think the Yankees feel bad about these developments, let's think about how the Mets feel having to be in the same division as Lee, Halladay, Oswalt and Hamels.

The Rangers, on other hand, were right all along. They could offer Lee comfort the Yankees couldn't match, and something he obviously valued in the end. However, the Phillies offered not only the pillow top mattress, but one he'd slept like a baby in before.

Texas also has a World Series-type team, but one without an ace. The Rangers weren't serious contenders until they pulled Lee from the Mariners last season, and now they're faced with the same problem months later.

The rivalry between New York and Boston means any time the Yankees lose, the Red Sox win and vice versa. The Red Sox, who have added Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez are better (no matter what Evan says ), and the Yankees aren't as good as expected -- so the Sox win.

The biggest winner in all this -- besides the Phillies and Lee -- could be the Royals. Kansas City is dangling a bona fide No. 1 starter in Zack Greinke. And don't think Andrew Friedman in Tampa isn't receiving calls on Matt Garza about right now. The prices on those two starters haven't gone down in the last 12 hours, that's for sure. If you're going to get one of those, you'll have to pay.

-- C. Trent Rosecrans

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Since: Dec 12, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2010 2:49 pm

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

Yeah yeah everybody wants to go crazy over this pitching staff... Just remember that once you get to the playoffs only 3 of those cats are gonna pitch in a best of 7 series.... We should all know by now that anything can and usually does happen in the playoffs

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 4:56 pm

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

Also, since Werth is on the Nationals that automatically disqualifies him from even making the playoffs.  Personally, I think the Lee deal is too long and they will regret the back end of it.  However, for the next 2-3 years the Phils are crazy dangerous.

Since: Jun 5, 2008
Posted on: December 15, 2010 1:05 pm

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

um, just wondering, since the phillies and nats both play in the N.L., how can Jayson Werth destroy the phillies in the world series?

Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 12:10 pm

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

The Blue Jays and even Orioles who thought that the window of opportunity to compete in the AL east or at least for a wild card berth was several years away when it may be a lot sooner than they thought.

Since: Jun 22, 2009
Posted on: December 15, 2010 11:59 am

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

Every National League team, particularly the Cards, Reds, and Giants, were also losers in this.

Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 11:07 am

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

Mets fans should have fun ... watching Terry Collins explode, then implode, sometime in June or July.

Yanks fans should have fun ... watching one another spit on more visiting wives, ending more chances for future player development.

Angels fans should have fun ... accidentally becoming competitve since Lee won't be anywhere in sight.

Phillies fans shold have fun ... watching their team win 110 games in the regular season, then watching Jason Werth destroy them in the W.S.

Red Sux should NEVER have fun ... but they'll be the last ones laughing.

Since: Jul 5, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 11:05 am

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

sounds like jimrats has sour grapestypical yankee "fan" BS

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2010 9:40 am

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

Typical Yankee fan take the best young players and assume you can just get 1.... Johnson just signed a new deal, Felix did as well so instead of a wish list maybe make a list of guys that the Yankees could actually get.... Also money does not get these guys, it will actually take something else

Since: Sep 8, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 7:49 am

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

4 names for Yankee fans to watch:  Josh Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Matt Cain and Ubaldo Jimenez.  One or more should be in pinstripes by July.

Since: May 8, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2010 7:34 am

Winners and losers in Lee aftermath

There is no way that Seattle would give up Felix Hernandez for Montero and Nova.  The King is arguably the most valuable player in MLB right now when considering age, performance, and salary.

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