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Brewers land Greinke

Posted on: December 19, 2010 12:09 am
Edited on: April 18, 2011 11:56 am
 
Zack Greinke Well, we call oursleves Facts & Rumors on this blog, and file this under the latter.

This rumor comes from a fan blog on the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel site, and maybe there's something to it. I don't know, but even the author doesn't seem to stand by his own report with a huge disclaimer saying this is just a rumor, but a rumor he feels comfortable enough to publish -- even though I'm not so sure the editors at the Journal Sentinel would feel the same way.

With all that said, the Bernies Crew blog claims Zack Greinke's headed to Milwaukee. The disgruntled 2009 American League Cy Young winner is apparently tired of losing and Milwaukee is the place to cure that? Anyway, the deal, as reported, is Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt along with $2 million to Milwaukee in exchange for shortstop Alcides Escobar, center fielder Lorenzo Cain and right-hander Jeremy Jeffress.

The Royals system is loaded, but does lack an impact shortstop and center fielder, so it would make sense in that it would fill needs, but doesn't seem to be on par with the impact players that the team has said it would need in order to make a deal.

Baseball Prospectus' Kevin Goldstein tweets he's talked to the agent of both Jeffress and Cain, and neither of his clients have been contacted by either team. Jeffress has tested positive for marijuana twice and has served a 100-game suspension. With one more positive test, he'd face a lifetime suspension. He made his big-league debut this year, but still would be a risky venture for the Royals.

With Greinke and Shaun Marcum, the Brewers would be vastly improved over last season (even with the addition of Betancourt) and in the National League Central, just about any team has a chance at making a run to a division title.

In the end, though, I'm not sure this one passes the sniff test. I could be really wrong, but I'm not sure the Royals are this desperate yet.

UPDATE: OnMilwaukee.com is reporting this as well , adding that the Royal would also receive right-hander Jake Odorizzi, a first-rounder in the 2008 draft. Odorizzi was 7-3 with a 3.43 ERA at Class A Wisconsin of the Midwest League last season.  He struck out 135 in 120 2/3 innings. Odorizzi is not an insignificant add -- it makes the package look better and better. Although, the author of that report, Andrew Wagner, does not name Betancourt as going to Milwaukee, just a "major league" player. That would be debatable with Betancourt, but that he has drawn a big-league check, so he technically counts.

UPDATE: Journal Sentinel Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt checks in on Twitter :


UPDATE: Haudricourt tweets again, but has no confirmation of the deal:

UPDATE: Several outlets confirm the deal, including the Journal Sentinel 's Tom Haudricourt .

Give credit to Jim Breen over at Bernies Crew for the stories and my appoligies. You win the day and respect, while many ofthe rest of us eat crow. Good work, Jim, and my apologies.

This makes the National League Central a three-team race between the Brewers, Reds and Cardinals this season. The Brewers have an imposing top of the rotation with Greinke, Shaun Marcum and Yovani Gallardo.

That said, the team has given up its shortstop, center fielder and second baseman of the future, plus two of its best arms. Baseball America's upcoming Prospect Handbook had Odorizzi as the organization's top prospect and Jeffress third. It also means the Brewers are going for a title this season, and a trade of Prince Fielder is unlikely before the season.

Give Milwaukee credit, they're going for it -- much like they did when they acquired CC Sabathia in 2008. It will be a more interesting race in the National League Central, that's for sure.

UPDATE: Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated tweets Jeffress isn't part of the deal, instead, a player to be named is headed to Kansas City. Heyman also notes the Royals had a deal with the Nationals, but Greinke would not approve that deal.

UPDATE: CBSSports.com senior writer Danny Knobler says the deal is all but done, with the two teams haggling over the last player, which is likely Jeffress.

-- C. Trent Rosecrans

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Comments

Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2010 10:44 am
 

Brewers land Greinke

18bricktop77, I agree we need 4 nice looking under 25 prospects then we need Greinke right now, especially when his salary will cover all 4 of their first contracts. The only thing i noticed about the two fielders is lack of power whcih is always are biggest probelm. Last year we led the league in BA and didn't score many runs, it's the extra base hits that were missing on offense. The pitchers look like they both have potential to be solid players. Cain will be a great young CF to put out there as long as he can keep hitting 300. The shortstop hit 235 in 500+ AB's in his first full season, thats what we've had forever at that position but he's young and can improve his hitting. Plus we took a stud SS 3rd in the draft last year that better have that position taken care of in a couple years. Minors are loaded and we still have all day everyday Billy Butler and still hopeful star Alex Gordon. With the top closer in the AL over the last 2 years. Were headed in the right direction and paying Greinke 50 million while waiting on these young guys to grow doesn't make much sense. We drafted Greinke to help win 4 years ago it didn't happen and now it's time to move on.



Since: Mar 16, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2010 10:39 am
 

Brewers land Greinke

Look at what these morons posted on cbs.sportsline.com's home page regarding this "breaking title" this morning about the Greinke trade: "

BREAKING NEWS

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The Royals have traded 2009 AL Cy Young winner Jack Greinke to the Brewers for a package of prospects including shortstop Alcides Escobar. "

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His name is ZACK not JACK you complete idiots!   Just terrible.  Whomever posted this title should be fired immediately, along with the editor approving it.



Since: Dec 26, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2010 10:37 am
 

Brewers land Greinke

Per my post yesterday......Dayton Moore sucks!  I should have his job and would donate my salary to charity!

He surprised everyone alright.......Cain has upside, but no power.  Escobar can't hit a lick, and Jeffress has personal issues that will endure him to Royals fan base like oil & water.....and the other pitching 'prospect' pans out to 3rd starter in 2013.....

Dayton is building for 2013......neat!  I doubt if there will be any fans around by then....

The Brewers 'get it'....prospects are just that, prospects....they took a shot w/ landing C.C. and now they give up some youth/speed for a Cy Young caliber pitcher.......Zack will thrive in Milwaukee and eat up the NL Central.  Marcum will be equally as impressive.....the Brewers have developed their star (Braun) and built offesne around him and developed McGehee and Fielder.....they start winning and fans show, up, they will find a way to maybe keep Prince......you have to be VERY happy if your a Brewers fan!

Dayton Moore, is this the trade you want to identify your legacy as Royals GM?  Very disppointing.....this is a long way from the Lawrie/Snider/Drabek rumors from Toronto.....I don't see a star in the group or a top prospect.....

Royals fans are going to HATE this trade.......but, you slashed some payroll and your Walmart owner-Glass will be happy!  Yancy was awful at SS and a terible fielder....so I guess that's a positive!

Hey, atleast Royals fans get to see you picked up a couple ex-Braves......we have Melky and Franceour to get excited about.....if either of those two put up any stats, they will then be gone in a year........

2013 & 2014 will seems like an eternity for Royals fans!  Hey, let's also trade Soria away too.....get a couple more propsects!  He could fetch 3-4 prospects.....cause we won't need him this year....50 wins might be over-stating things!

Hello last place in AL Central......Dayton, let's hope this is not the trade you made......can we trade you for prospects?

   



Since: Mar 17, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2010 10:26 am
 

Brewers land Greinke

"what a idiot" pretty much sums a lot of these posters. Anyone done any research on these guys KC received? Seems to me like Moore did just fine. Cain will be starting in CF, Escobar at SS, and the two pitchers are top prospects. Zack was going somewhere anyway, so those of you calling Dayton an idiot should probably do some research, and go back to grammar school....



Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2010 10:00 am
 

Brewers land Greinke

Didn't see this one coming, but then again the media is almost always off on any predictions these days so i believe in the wait and see rule. Greinke I have no problem with him going to a contender and make more money at the same time, but this is a step side ways at best. It has to be that Greinke just needed a change from the KC never ending rebuilding mode and this keeps him out of a large market that he couldn't handle. I heard this guy say like 8 sentences in the 8 years he played in KC and he won a Cy Young that year. Don't see him thriving on a big stage if anything goes wrong what so ever. Royals get some prospects and free up some salary to hopefully win in 3 years, it sucks but thats the way it is in KC baseball right now. Greinke had a 2.16 ERA, 230 innings pitched, and 250 K's in the AL just 2 seasons ago and his arm hasn't changed a bit, I think he will thrive in the NL where numbers are usually improved about 10-15 percent for pitchers. Good Luck Zak and thanks for the Cy Young year to give us something to cheer about over the last decade!!!



Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2010 9:52 am
 

Rumor: Brewers land Greinke?

Didn't see this one coming, but then again the media is almost always off on any predictions these days so i believe in the wait and see rule. Greinke I have no problem with him going to a contender and make more money at the same time, but this is a step side ways at best. It has to be that Greinke just needed a change from the KC never ending rebuilding mode and this keeps him out of a large market that he couldn't handle. I heard this guy say like 8 sentences in the 8 years he played in KC and he won a Cy Young that year. Don't see him thriving on a big stage if anything goes wrong what so ever. Royals get some prospects and free up some salary to hopefully win in 3 years, it sucks but thats the way it is in KC baseball right now. Greinke had a 2.16 ERA, 230 innings pitched, and 250 K's in the AL just 2 seasons ago and his arm hasn't changed a bit, I think he will thrive in the NL where numbers are usually improved about 10-15 percent for pitchers. Good Luck Zak and thanks for the Cy Young year to give us something to cheer about over the last decade!!!


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Since: Oct 11, 2010
Posted on: December 19, 2010 9:41 am
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Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2010 9:08 am
 

Rumor: Brewers land Greinke?

Re: "He's better off staying in KC. No?"

Don't get out of the city much.  No? 

Crew with crappy pitching against the Mets in 2010: 5-2 (if you're thinking that's not saying much, given the opponent, I'd grant you that one.)

Only part that doesn't make sense is Roenicke likes the speed game...Gomez now signed, but speedsters Cain and Escobar depart in this deal.  So, onus is on Gomez to raise that OBP to pair up well with Weeks.

Go Crew!



Since: May 9, 2010
Posted on: December 19, 2010 8:50 am
 

Rumor: Brewers land Greinke?

I have to agree with mizzunut on this one. Shawn Marcum is at best a 4th starter on an above average MLB team. You know what you're getting out of Gallardo, but Grienke has emotional issues and could come over to the NL and be a complete bust, not to mention they're giving up their entire farm system practically for one guy. It's understandable if you're in a win now mode but there's question marks concerning his emotional state. Regardless of all this i still don't think it's enough for the Brewers to compete with the Cardinals and Reds.



Since: Mar 23, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2010 8:48 am
 

Rumor: Brewers land Greinke?

Im not sure if you have watched much baseball if you think that the Brewers are giving up a lot to get Greinke and Betancourt. Escobar was supposed to be what Aldrus is for the Rangers and Castro is going to be for the Cubs but he hasnt done very much so far. Cain is a talented but raw centerfielder a la Cameron Maybin and Jeffress isnt exactly a top prospect. For the Royals sake I hope this is a rumor. Rumored offers from the Rangers and Nats seemed to be better than this one, but we will see if Milwaukee fleeced the Dayton Moore and the Royals because that is the way it looks now.


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