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Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

Posted on: January 4, 2011 2:05 pm
Edited on: April 18, 2011 11:33 am
 
Rafael Palmeiro
Hall of Fame election results will be announced Wednesday, and Rafael Palmeiro won't get in. His career numbers are worthy of being in the discussion -- he's one of four players with 3,000 hits and 500 homers -- but a positive test for steroids in 2005 casts a shadow Palmeiro might never escape.

On the eve of the announcement, Palmeiro was a guest on the Norris and Davis Show on Baltimore radio station 105.6 The Fan. He talked at length about his career, steroids and the Hall of Fame. You can hear the entire interview at 1057thefan.com , but here are some of the more interesting segments.

On his Hall candidacy, he says it's out of his hands, but he thinks he has the numbers: "They can't take away the things that I brought to the game, and they can't take away my career. That's always going to be with me, good, bad and ugly."

So how did those steroids get in his system? A tainted B-12 supplement given to him by a teammate: "Being a 19-year veteran, I should have known better than to take anything from anybody."

Palmeiro said he feels vindicated by the fact that, after investigating him, the House Government Reform Committee did not seek perjury charges against him: "They went out and they reached out to these people, and they couldn't come up with anything."

Life after baseball is "OK," but he feels like he'll never escape the controversy: "I don't know that I'll ever get over the steroids stuff. That's something that will stay with me forever, no matter what happens."


-- David Andriesen

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Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: January 5, 2011 5:50 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

The day this EFFING CLOWN gets into the Hall of Fame is the day I give up on baseball for good.

I was raised a Cubs fan and saw this guy come up. Good hitter. Not a great one. VERY LITTLE POWER.

And that was Wrigley Field. Don't believe me? Break down his numbers.

They're a joke.

874 AB & 25 HR for the Cubs - 1 HR per 35 AB

Goes to TX

2396 AB 70 HR from 24 to 27 years old...when power hitters usually show what they're made of.
1 HR per 34 AB  NADA.

Then. Wow. A power hitter is "born" in 1993. From Then thru 2003:

6973 AB 433 HR  THAT'S 1 HR EVERY SIXTEEN AT BATS!!!  Many of those during his aging years of 32-37.

He was never seriously hurt. Never.

HE WAS ON STEROIDS. He hit .288 with them. If you (only) take away 1/3 of his doubles and 1/3 of his HR (really should take away more due to how many of them would merely have been warning track fly balls....not to mention injuries)

He's a .252 lifetime hitter.

NEVER put this lying clown in the Hall of Fame. NEVER.



Since: Apr 18, 2009
Posted on: January 5, 2011 5:40 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

Look, they are still using. Why do you think everyone that used like A-Rod, Bret Boone, maintained their muscle mass after the testing started? The league also knew of the rampant steroid use long before their token actions. The only thing is the news media, entertainment news media, government officials, joe blow off the street, fans, and everyone else got a hold of the information. The League had to demonstrate that it was not in left field, ruled with an iron fist, and was dead set against performance enhancing drugs, or drugs of any sort. It's become fodder now with all the books and what not comming out. It's become a tired pain in the ass for the league. However, I am telling you it is getting really messed up now because there are legitimate talents like Pujols, Baustista that are freaks of nature, and the baseball fan, needs to have the oppertunity to witness, and enjoy true talents without the stigma of steroids. How do you enjoy a game if someone is purportedly on the juice, and pitching to Pujols, or someone ahead of him or behind him is juicing ? Kinda sucks, don't it ?
     As for the beginning of the steroid era, which I believe continues today. I did some homework that was pretty simple. Just go through the career stats. See whose numbers spiked in the hitting, and, or pitching categories. Look for the big unreal numbers too, that could tip you off. Also, look for the stat for which much of steroid use in baseball was originally intended, games missed due to injuries. There arent any, or many for the steroid user. Injuries are a part of the game. Sometimes a huge part, especially with guys hitting for power, and pitchers. If your guy isn't missing any games, and hitting or pitching lights out, over a span of years, there is a good chance he is juicing. Guys like Clemens, and Pettite for pitchers, and Caminitti, and Sheffield for hitters. Hitters that hit for power are prone to injuries. The job is just not natural, and designed for you to get injurred. Your twisting your body with a 30 plus ounce bat with all the force of your legs, butt and torso, sometimes, 6,7, or 8 times in a 12 pitch at-bat. Pitching ? Well nuff said there, pitching just tears your body down.
      
; Steroids ? HGH ? Do they have a place in MLB ? That is a question each individual directly involved has to ask oneself because whether PED do or not have a place in baseball, the money these guys stand to make dictate that people will use.  The kids know if they put up big numbers in college or high school, and they get their name on a contract, heck, just the signing bonus will set them up for life.



Since: Jan 25, 2010
Posted on: January 5, 2011 4:35 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

I have a big problem with this whole steroid issue prohibiting one to get in HOF.  How many players have done things to enhance performance and still got in.  Lets look at just a few.  Guys who threw spitter, maybe 20-30 clearly threw it and gotten in, more in older days but some as recent as 80s-90s.  How aobut Ken Brett corked bat.  How many had corked bats?????  Teams have modified fields so their own team can outshine opponents.  Little things like tilt sidelines, grow infield grass higher or lower. 

All of the above and I am sure many others enhance batting averages, pitching performance et al.  Interesting that guys like Palmeiro, Eddy Murray, Barry Bonds all had great carreers before late year accusations (probably valid) and all three of these had HOF records even before those years.  I think this is different than McGuire and guy for Cubs (sorry about forgetting name ).  These two had average carreers and homers came after they started using.

I have problem even with Pete Rose not in.  Did betting help him be all time hits man?  He should be in on merits alone.  (PS I am not Rose fan).




Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: January 5, 2011 2:47 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

He belongs in the hall but he'll never get in and I'm fine with it.  His numbers are insane but he cheated and nobody really believes the B-12...BS...do they?  Maybe he just misremembers the whole incident and era.  Cool to see Bert Blyleven get in and I think Alomar deserves it too.  The cheaters deserve a special stats hall section maybe, but a true HOF'er did it through ol' fashioned hard work and determination, not through a syringe.  Sorry Raffy you don't cut the mustard of a HOF'er anymore.



Since: Mar 27, 2007
Posted on: January 5, 2011 2:42 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

The word is genius.  Genius.




Since: Feb 2, 2009
Posted on: January 5, 2011 2:35 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

Saying steroids doesn't help you hit a ball is like saying steroids don't help boxers punch.  It doesn't help them hit another boxer but when they connect i guaranty that they help.....

And if they didn't help why are they taking them?  People who make this comment are dumb....




Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: January 5, 2011 2:33 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

I'd rather have pete rose in than raffy.  what rose did for baseball in the 60's and 70's was unbelievable.  Also, you still need to hit the ball and while roids may not help a person with hand-eye coordination, it is a HUGE confidence booster as well as your ability to get the bat around a lot faster then they ever could before PEDs.  Brady Anderson and canseco for example are TWO primary cases of a people who used roids and then stopped and they regressed.  So, there's the flaw in your theory...




Since: Feb 2, 2009
Posted on: January 5, 2011 2:31 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

Its funny, in the 80's everyone in the US hated Russia and other countries because they were using Steroids and they provided an unfair advantage. As a nation all we did was cry and cry how unfair it was and that's why the olympic testing policy works so well at keeping it out of the sport.  Now everyone wants to vindicate athletes because they grew up rooting for them.  Guess what, they all cheated and knowingly did so for their personal gain to make money.... Not for the betterment of the sport.  At least Olympians are doing it for their country....  How times change and perceptions are perverted to our liking...  Keep them all out!!!  Or have a cheaters hall of fame and Pete Rose can be the President with Barry Bonds, Magwyer and all the boys and girls that roided up.  And don't think baseball is the only sport out there without cheaters



Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2011 1:49 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

I don't think that the hitters were the only ones juicing. Pitchers were also putting up insane numbers too. MLB should just wipeout the years and revenue from the steroid era. "Hello, Mr. and Mrs. Average Joe MLB is refunding the money you spent on tickets, food and souvenirs during the "Steroid Era". We did not mean to mislead you and feel guilty from our ill-gotten gains. To show that we are truly sorry and did not mean to deceive you into giving us your hard-earned money we will be sending you a check for $25,933.45." 



Since: Oct 20, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2011 1:48 pm
 

Palmeiro talks steroids, HOF

 wrote:

Well, here's the bottom line- that "player" that Palmiero claims gave him a PED laced B-12 shot was Miguel Tejada, a fellow Bash Brother juicer, and he's still playing. Why ? primarilty because Tejada admitted guilt, broke down in tears and begged forgiveness, and submitted to repeated testing...Palmeiro failed a test and refused another, said the truth would come out...and retired. Not very convincing...

No, it's a terrible story.  Players don't typically keep Vitamin B-12 shots sitting in their lockers.  To believe Palmeiro's story that he didn't take steroids intentionally, and that another player's needle was "tainted" requires you to believe he's one of the dumbest men alive.  That could potentially explain the positive test, but then why refuse to take another ?  What- back then, Raffy had principles, but now when he's potentially going to be elected to Baseball's HOF, he expects people will ignore his rationale for steroids ? 

Sorry, but is Palmiero a legit 3,000 hit, 500 HR player...really ? Or...would he have been a non PED, 2400 hit and 390 HR player ? Good, but not an All-Time great...Sorry, but I think to allow Palmeiro in the Hall is to slap the truly greats in the face.

Raffy doesn't deserve to be spoken of in the same context as Hank Aaron, Eddie Murray, and Willie Mays.  He earned a crapload of money during his career in Baltimore and Texas, and that should be the extent of his legacy.  If I had my way, I would tattoo a giant asterisk on his forehead, as well as the forehead of Tejada, Brian Roberts, Jason Grimsley and Brady Anderson...


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