Blog Entry

Rangers may not be done yet

Posted on: January 10, 2011 10:04 am
Jon Daniels Coming off a World Series appearance, the Rangers have been anything but content this offseason. Few teams have been as active in the free agent market as Texas.

General manager Jon Daniels has reached high -- Cliff Lee -- and missed, but also reacted by signing the likes of Adrian Beltre and Yorvit Torrealba along with reliever Arthur Rhodes and took a risk on former Cy Young Award-winner Brandon Webb. The team was also in on trades for Zack Greinke and Matt Garza.

Under new ownership, the Rangers have been aggressive and shown they aren't content with what they've done. That hasn't stopped even after an offseason spending spree.

"There are still some things we're going to look into," Daniels told Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram . "This may be the club we go to camp with. We're confident if it is.

"But there's a chance we'll try to improve as well."

Wilson notes the team could still be interested in other "risk-reward types" such as Jeff Francis and Bartolo Colon.

There's also the off chance the team could go after the top remaining free agent, Rafael Soriano, and move Neftali Feliz to the rotation. It may be a long-shot, but with the Rangers, it seems anything's possible.

-- C. Trent Rosecrans

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Since: Jan 16, 2011
Posted on: January 16, 2011 10:58 pm

Rangers may not be done yet

of course the rangers aren't done yet beacause they're going to do something on nolan ryan's birthday jan 31st and they're going to make a move that's big on that day

Since: Feb 23, 2010
Posted on: January 13, 2011 2:55 pm

Rangers may not be done yet

Andrus is at SS
Kinsler is at 2B
if Beltre plays 3B

You better hope Young is OK with DH'ing or playing 1B but then Moreland get's pushed out. If you sign Vlade it takes away from Young. Oh, by the way, I would take Youngs bat over Beltre!!!

Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: January 12, 2011 9:46 pm

Rangers may not be done yet

The Angels didn't get better, the A's didn't get better, and the Mariners are irrelevant. It will be, most likely, 88 to 94 wins and another division title. But not because the pitching is terrible. And definitely not because the offense is incredibly stacked. Both are above average and not much more
The Angels and A's didn't get better? What are you smoking?

The Angels immediately will be better in 2011 because arguably their best hitter (Kendry Morales) will actually get to play the full season. Meanwhile, they also get Dan Haren for a full year as well. The Haren trade might be the most underrated move last September. As for the A's, they had arguably the best off-season of the bunch. The Athletics already had the best starting rotation in the American League and their only real problem was their hitting. Now, they've added David DeJesus, Hideki Matsui, and Josh Willingham to the bunch. Also, they have Coco Crisp healthy for a full season as well.
And you claim neither team got better? 
The Rangers are the only team that didn't improve this offseason.
The Rangers won the division because of CJ, Hunter, Lewis, Neftali, etc. etc. etc.
And they are relying on Colby Lewis posting the same numbers as a year ago? Yes...the same Colby Lewis that has bounced around from team to team and also was playing in Japan just 2 seasons ago....Sure, he had a good year last year, but history isn't on his side.

Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: January 12, 2011 5:16 pm

Rangers may not be done yet

Is this a serious statement?

How do you suggest 15 AL teams and 15 NL teams play every day? Interleague year round? Days off every day? No way.

I wish people that have no idea what they're talking about wouldn't waste our time.

Since: Jan 20, 2008
Posted on: January 12, 2011 2:50 am

Rangers may not be done yet

The Rangers won the division because of pitching and because their division is a joke.  Imagine if you will....a 4 team division, and 2 of the teams are Seattle and Oakland.  This is the unfair advantage that the Rangers get to enjoy until Major League Baseball decides to stop the ridiculousness and make each division 5 teams.  I really don't understand why the other MLB owners allow such a thing to go on for so long...and what's worse...with no talk about ending this total unfair advantage that the Rangers and Angels have.  It's not hard to fix.  Move Houston out of the 6 team division in the NL Central and put them in the NL West.  Move Colorado out of the NL west and put them in the AL West.  What is so hard about that?  Houston played in the NL West for years so that part shouldn't be a problem.  The Rockies have been AL esque since their inception so again, I don't see how this is so hard to figure out. 

Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: January 12, 2011 2:03 am

Rangers may not be done yet

Almost no intelligent comments on this message board. First of all, to anyone using the word "we" when referring to the Rangers, I hope you are on the active roster or in the front office. If not, it is embarrassing to see someone refer to a sports team as "we".

Also, for some reason the people who claim to have watched every game last year or be an actual Rangers fan seem to have the least intelligent things to say.

Let's all be real for a second... The Rangers won the division last year because of their pitching. (Not their "amazing" offense as some people suggest; and definitely not because of Cliff Lee-- thank you to the guy who wrote Cliff Lee's awful numbers as a Ranger.) The Rangers won the division because of CJ, Hunter, Lewis, Neftali, etc. etc. etc. And the Rangers won the division because the AL West is pretty bad.

The offense was just ok. This year, the lineup is about the same. The pitching staff is about the same. The new players are Beltre, Torrealba, Rhodes & Webb. The subtractions are Guerrero, Molina, Harden & Lee. So basically, just refilling the areas that were vacated.

The Angels didn't get better, the A's didn't get better, and the Mariners are irrelevant. It will be, most likely, 88 to 94 wins and another division title. But not because the pitching is terrible. And definitely not because the offense is incredibly stacked. Both are above average and not much more.

Side note: Since when is Chris Young on the Rangers? Some guy was talking about him being in the rotation. Then he said it wouldn't be a big improvement... If Chris Young is the number 5 starter (I'm pretty confident he is still a FA) the Rangers are dramatically better with that depth, so I wouldn't be so certain that isn't a good idea.

Since: Sep 15, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2011 7:26 pm

Rangers may not be done yet

There are alot of what if's on this pitching staff. I have to admit that. I would hope that Colby and CJ are better in their 2nd year here. I hope that Webb is fully healed and can re-gain what he once had. I hope that either Hunter, Feldman, Holland, or Hurley can break out. Personally, I have a feeling that Holland is going to have a break-out year this year.  And Hurley was a top 10 pitching prospect before he hurt his arm a year ago. I get all that.
But... I am confident that we still have the best closer in MLB. And the Texas Rangers lineup is the best lineup in baseball now. I am happy that pitching is important to this team now. But their every day players are SO MUCH better than any team in the division. Both hitting and DEFENSE.

Since: Dec 5, 2009
Posted on: January 11, 2011 5:58 pm

Rangers may not be done yet

The Rangers starting pitching is horrid and will not help them win the west.

Just about the dumbest comment I've read on these threads. Let me put it to you this way. The Rangers finished tied for 3rd in the AL in ERA at 3.93. Cliff Lee, as a Ranger, posted a 3.98. Lee made 15 starts with the Rangers, and won only 4 of them. To be honest, and as weird as off the wall as this may sound, Cliff Lee, as a Ranger during the regular season, was just a guy. CJ Wilson, Colby Lewis and Tommy Hunter, ALL IN FAR BIGGER SAMPLE SIZES, had better ERA's for the Rangers than Lee did.

I'm no Ranger fan, and really could care less how they do, but I have zero doubt in my mind that they will win the West again and their pitching will be just fine.

Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2011 5:47 am

Rangers may not be done yet

Starting pitching is an extremely volatile commodity.  There are perhaps ten SP who can consistently repeat as leaders in things like ERA, WHIP, or even K.  Don't even think about W or S.  Lee is probably among those ten.  (Halladay, Kershaw, Lester, Rivera, Carpenter, Wainwright, F. Hernandez, perhaps Lincecum--see further discussion).  Not having him IS a big deal.

Sure, the Rangers were in first in a pretty bad division.  (It's hard to say WORST when you had the NL West looking like any team over .500 could win it, and the NL Central was a race to the bottom as well ... or are you buying the Reds as a good team?)  Their pitching was what made the difference.  But guys like Colby Lewis and CJ Lewis cannot be counted on to repeat that performance.  Hell, a guy like Lincecum couldn't do it for three years straight.  The Giants got to the playoffs despite Lincecum having a crappy (mediocre) year because: a) San Diego collapsed; b) they found some offense; c) Brian Wilson had an unthinkable year, ala Brad Lidge's "perfect season" in 2008.  Please note Lidge's follow-up year.  Or the career path of Eric Gagne, the track of Jonathon Papelbon, or any other "dominant closer."  Few pitchers, I emphasize, can repeat their performances year-in and year-out.

For the Rangers, like the Giants, a lot of good things happened at the right time: Juan Uribe found his bat; Cody Ross came alive; Madison Bumgarner pitched over his head; Buster Posey had a dream season.  Anyone expecting the Giants back in the WS is either a die-hard Giants fan who expects that every year, or on crack.  Or both.  

For the Rangers: Vlad came back from the dead; Josh Hamilton finally "broke through"; Nelson Cruz was more consistent, and slightly less injured; Feliz pitched over his head--if he goes to the rotation, it will be a long slog, but even if he comes back as closer, those numbers are hard to repeat; check out the "top closers" of previous years and see how many of them have two good years back-to-back; you'll end up with Rivera.  So Soriano is no solution either.  To expect that again: I'm going with "on crack."

Are the Rangers a good team?  Sure.  They have an excellent chance to win the AL West again.  Their pitching will be solid but not spectacular.  Their offense will be, probably, when you look at Beltre's record and particularly how he's done after signing big contracts, a bit down.  Not because of Beltre--I expect he'll replace Vlad's production--but because Michael Young is slipping, because Hamilton will not have the kind of season he did in 2010, and because Cruz is so brittle he's unlikely to make it to 140 games, and Kinsler is approaching that kind of DL-friendly status.

If the A's can come up with some runs, or the Angels can get some pitching depth, it could be a contest.  

Since: Oct 10, 2010
Posted on: January 11, 2011 3:23 am

Rangers may not be done yet

Without Lee the Rangers were in first last year. Without Lee their pitching was among the best in the al. Without lee they still have 3 or 4 of the best young arms in baseball. and i'm not including cj wilson, holland, or feliz in that equation. the rangers will be fine next year. they should be able to hold off the a's and win the west again.

it sucks they lost out on lee but i can't blame him for going to phili. i'm a ranger fan but i agree with what lee's comparison between philly and texas "in philly you don't need to light up the jumbo screen to tell fans when it is time to cheer." if we have a weakness, it isn't pitching; it is the lack of the rabid die hard fan base you see in cities like boston, new york, philly, chicago, or st. louis. it can be frustrating going to games and see so many fans paying more attention to their iphones and blackberries than the field of play.

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