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Report: Yanks, Twins thinking Liriano swap

Posted on: February 26, 2011 3:50 pm
Edited on: February 26, 2011 3:54 pm
 
Posted by Matt Snyder

It's no secret the Yankees covet starting pitching. They only have three legitimate major league starters at this point, and it's not like A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes are without question marks. It's going to be one of the major ongoing storylines of the season, in fact.

A potentially significant deal that might be in the works -- obviously the very preliminary stages -- is a swap with the Twins for Francisco Liriano.

Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports the Yanks are "keeping a close eye" on Liriano and, likewise, the Twins are "keeping tabs on [Yankees] prospects."

The only concern with Liriano is health, because there is no questioning his talent. In 2006, the phenom reared his head, going 12-3 with a sick 2.16 ERA and 1.00 WHIP. He struck out 144 hitters in 121 innings. But that season came to a close with him needing Tommy John surgery and he never returned to form until last season.

In 2010, we saw glimpses of the old Liriano. He was 14-10 with a 3.62 ERA and 1.26 WHIP. He struck out 201 hitters in a career-high 191 2/3 innings. His stuff was good enough to only allow 0.4 home runs per nine innings (an AL-best). He still suffered the occasional meltdown, but balanced it out with some real beauties. Plus, he's still only 27. There's plenty of tread left on those tires.

He has had shoulder soreness some early in spring training, but that kind of thing is normal for pitchers in February.

If the Yankees did deal prospects for Liriano, he'd knock Burnett down to the four spot in the rotation and form a rather formidable trio at the top with Hughes and CC Sabathia.

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Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2011 6:48 pm
 

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How are the yankee's a playoff team?

How are they not?..afterall this team went to the ALCS last year.


aroid is falling apart jeter is on the decline

Amazingly, A-rod is healthy and in his two injury years he still hit a combines 46HRs and drove in 225 runs..Jeter has a bad year in the avg department and you say he is declining..again you amaze with limited knowledge, decline would imply that he has been getting worse over time..this is not the case and he only had a dip in his BA AVG..still scores over 100 runs and had 179 hits.  



they have 2 proven pitchers in sabathia and hughes and they have a 100 year old closer...

Sounds like Boston...Lester and then questionmarks...In your opinion Beckett should be falling apart, Dice-K = awful, Buckholtz still has to prove he his that guy and Lackey was..well to go by what most sox are saying, a dissapoinment last year..so what do you get with him this year?????

Rivera much better then Papalbum


the yankee's are a very old team and there not getting any younger any time soon. the yankee's arent even that team in the al anymore.. ill be real suprised if the make the playoffs with the senior citizen roster they have lol.. also cc will probably opt out of his contract next year.. good luck stienbrenners ur not like ur father!

cano, gardener, tex, granderson, montero, hughes, soriano, nova, and CC  say they are not all old...but then again you would not know that to you anything over 30 is old.




Since: Feb 5, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2011 3:34 pm
 

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How are the yankee's a playoff team? aroid is falling apart jeter is on the decline they have 2 proven pitchers in sabathia and hughes and they have a 100 year old closer... the yankee's are a very old team and there not getting any younger any time soon. the yankee's arent even that team in the al anymore.. ill be real suprised if the make the playoffs with the senior citizen roster they have lol.. also cc will probably opt out of his contract next year.. good luck stienbrenners ur not like ur father!



Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2011 2:30 pm
 

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Well, I actually do provide some sort of 'logic' for my opinion and it's clear you do not.  I did provide insight as why a trade to the Yankees is not their first option.  That's exactly what was said.  Please read and quit throughing out statements at the end of your ludicruos ramble to make it sound like I didn't provide logic.  My gawd that's the worst response you could have added.  The first 2 paragraphs were somewhat competent, then you screwed it up by making that absolutely ridiculous statement

Not really, but then again you have nothing to come back with so you resort to I provided no insight..very good comeback, deflect the obvious, which is you applied your logic but no insight.




What the Twins are looking for are prospects and to get rid of the $ that they will pay over the next two years.  If the Yankees do have prospects they are interested in (moreso than other teams), they possibly would pull a trade.  But prospects are just that and you can get them from any team.  Teams, especially those built to make playoff runs like the Twins, DO look to making these trades to the opposite League.  The Twins traded Santana to the Mets when the Yankees were known as one of the top teams in that potential trade talk. In the end, the Mets offered more/better prospects then the Yankees, but to think it wasn't a consideration not to keep Santana (or in this case Liriano) in the AL, well that completely lacks logic

I guess this is where you show why you can't provide logic.....First off, and listen carefully, every team has prospects (good job on that fact) but the Twins are looking to maximize their return for prospects they feel will benefit them in the future. So, not evey team applies becasue not every team has high quality prosopects and not every team has an interest this early for a stating pitcher....therefore, not every team applies to the Twins while looking to deal Liriano..got that?

Second, the Yankees being a playoff contender does not have any bearing on them trading Lirano to the Yankees..they are no in the same division...got that? good now follow a little more and learn, the wins did not trade Santana to the Mets to avoid a trade with the Yankees...THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING YOU'VE SAID.... The Twins WANTED to trade with the Yankees but the Yankees felt the price was too high. The Yankees said no and then were no longer interested..the Twins had no other trading partners that year and were robbed by the Mets in that deal. If you remember correctly the Twins were offere Ellsbury and Lester from the Sox and the Twins said no..looking to the Yankees for Kennedy, Joba and Hughes, which the Yankees said no and then they went back to Boston except Boston, upon knowing the Yankees said no scaled down their offer which the Twins said no and then finally the Twins wanted all offers by a set deadline..they settled foer the Mets offer because the Yankes and Sox were no longer interested.


What does or does not happen ~7 months from now does play into these types of decisions.  I didn't say it wasn't possible at all, just that IMO, didn't see this happening before the season starts.  That opinion was stated with 'logic'.  Anyone interested in Liriano does want to see how he starts this season as the lack of availble starting pitiching is at a minimum, he has had an up & down beginning to his career (obviously due to Tommy John surgery), but a team would also have control of him for 2 or less years.  BTW - every team has scouts looking at every teams prospects.  There are scouts at about every spring training game for every team.  The statements "keeping a close eye" or "keeping tabs" are just that.  Nothing there, not even a story, but that doesn't stop them from printing something to stir up discussions like this.  If there was more to it, such as GMs "overheard discussing trade" or "continued talks"..something with far more to go thatn what was given, then there's something to it.  Check the link too..it's from a Twitter account..lol 

What does or does not happen does play a part in this decsion...its a calculated decsion as to what would maximize the teams best return....it plays a part in offseason decsion also...How you can say that is beyond me ad only further confirms why you made that stupid statement before. The Yankees need a pitcher now and, if you read, are still looking to fill that role. They don't have too and can wait but they are still keeping all options open. Coming off the season that Liriano had there is a considerable risk if they don't trade him prior to te season..again they don't have too, but if they really want to, then this is more likley the tie that they can get something back at greater value. I am sure event a short sighted person as yourself can see that. Also, I never said you did not apply logic..I said is was bad logic with no insight...which you still fail at.

Hey good luck with your analogies and opinions...them seem very insightful...LOL





Since: Dec 27, 2008
Posted on: February 27, 2011 1:29 pm
 

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"Even if the Spankees get Liriano they still won't win the World Series.  Liriano was good overall last year, but that is because lots of his games were against the Indians, Royals, and injured Tigers.  Trust me, I'm a huge Twins fan"

Love it when ppl yank info out fo their ass and don't bother to back it up.

Yes he was overpowering versus Clev and KC, something an ace SHOUL be. Against the sorry ass Tigers. Not so much. Additionally he posted a very nice ERA of around 3.00 versus the "big three' of Bos - NYY- TB.  Under 3.00 if you add the Rangers into the mix.

The sole issue here is long-term health.  His performance level shouldn't be questioned. At all.

If your whole position is he had 2 mediocre playoff outings, they are moot at best because they were both against the team attempting to acquire him.  Nevermind the fact that for one game the Yankees cna lean on anyone's pitching for one game and make them loook real bad. Hell Cliff Lee's second "win" in the '09 WS is the shining example. As great as he was he went 7 IP and gace 5 runs and allowed 10 baserunners.



Since: Sep 6, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2011 1:27 pm
 

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I'm not sure if you're so called Yankee "hubris" about Lee ever really existed. My impression of the Yankees pursuit of Lee was that while their fans were confident they would get him, management seemed much less so. The Yankees made an offer, which was the best one on the table by a significant amount from a financial standpoint, and Lee simply chose a place he felt more comfortable.
As for their other "options", Grienke once stated that he could never pitch in New York, and despite his assertions that was no longer the case, I'm sure the Yankees felt trading for a guy who missed a season to deal with mental health issues simply was too much of a risk. The rest of the free agent market was underwhelming at best, with Carl Pavano probably the best of the remaining lot, the Yankees really didn't have any options in that avenue once Lee was gone.
I think the one thing that really hamstrung the Yankees more than anything was Andy Pettite. The Yankees left the door open for Pettite to come back, and perhaps they deluded themselves into thinking that he would change his mind once spring was in the air, but by the time they realized that he would definitely not be coming back (which they seemed to realize in late January), it was essentially too late to do anything about it.
And for once the Yankees seem content to let some youngsters and journeyman fight it out for some roster spots rather than make a big free agent signing, yet they are still being criticized.



Since: Dec 10, 2010
Posted on: February 27, 2011 11:53 am
 

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"Finally, you provide no insight into what the Twins are looking for in return or why YOU think this is not their first option, the article says the Twins have had their eye on prospects, and speak to the Yankees specifically. If this is not their first option, or they are better served by waiting until the mid point of the season and, it would be in their best interst not to trade with a potential playoff oppenet 7 months from now then why are the Twins looking?"

Well, I actually do provide some sort of 'logic' for my opinion and it's clear you do not.  I did provide insight as why a trade to the Yankees is not their first option.  That's exactly what was said.  Please read and quit throughing out statements at the end of your ludicruos ramble to make it sound like I didn't provide logic.  My gawd that's the worst response you could have added.  The first 2 paragraphs were somewhat competent, then you screwed it up by making that absolutely ridiculous statement.

What the Twins are looking for are prospects and to get rid of the $ that they will pay over the next two years.  If the Yankees do have prospects they are interested in (moreso than other teams), they possibly would pull a trade.  But prospects are just that and you can get them from any team.  Teams, especially those built to make playoff runs like the Twins, DO look to making these trades to the opposite League.  The Twins traded Santana to the Mets when the Yankees were known as one of the top teams in that potential trade talk. In the end, the Mets offered more/better prospects then the Yankees, but to think it wasn't a consideration not to keep Santana (or in this case Liriano) in the AL, well that completely lacks logic.

What does or does not happen ~7 months from now does play into these types of decisions.  I didn't say it wasn't possible at all, just that IMO, didn't see this happening before the season starts.  That opinion was stated with 'logic'.  Anyone interested in Liriano does want to see how he starts this season as the lack of availble starting pitiching is at a minimum, he has had an up & down beginning to his career (obviously due to Tommy John surgery), but a team would also have control of him for 2 or less years.  BTW - every team has scouts looking at every teams prospects.  There are scouts at about every spring training game for every team.  The statements "keeping a close eye" or "keeping tabs" are just that.  Nothing there, not even a story, but that doesn't stop them from printing something to stir up discussions like this.  If there was more to it, such as GMs "overheard discussing trade" or "continued talks"..something with far more to go thatn what was given, then there's something to it.  Check the link too..it's from a Twitter account..lol 






Since: Oct 15, 2007
Posted on: February 27, 2011 10:55 am
 

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Yankees payroll,Yankees payroll,Yankees payroll,Yankees payroll....... yawn...... wake me up when the season starts.



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: February 27, 2011 10:49 am
 

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Why would the Twins who are a legitimate contender for the World Series, trade their ace to a rival who beats them every year? This is pure Yankees propaganda and is simply ludicrous. The Twins aren't that desperate, nor stupid.

The Yankees will seek that starter all year and will have to overpay at the deadline. This is their fault for their hubris in the Lee sweepstakes. They thought all they had to do was throw out money and like CC, he'd come a-callin'. When he didn't and KC traded Greinke to the Brewers, they were left with their pants down and mouths agape. Their options were slim and none, so they grabbed washed up pitchers like Colon, Prior and Garcia. Now their stuck with them, Mitre and Nova. Unless Burnett turns it around and Hughes steps up, they're in huge trouble with a much improved Boston team and some solid WC contenders in the Central(Det, Chi, Minny) and West(Tex, Ana/LA and Oakland). The playoffs are not a given in 2011 and they know it.



Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2011 9:59 am
 

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I doubt there will be a trade like this before the season starts and possibly all season.  It appears the Twins do want to trade Liriano before the end of 2012 and maybe the Yankees are the team to pick up the contract, but I'm sure the Twins are not looking at this as the first option.  The logic behind this opinion is the Twins have made the playoffs 6 times since 2002; the Yankees have knocked them out in the Division series 4 times.  This is a business at the end of the day, but why would you help the competetor who has knocked you out of advancing in the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 times?! They are probably looking to the NL first, rather then 'helping' a potential playoff team that they have a recent history with.  If this is the trade the Twins make (to the Yankees), I think they would rather wait until ~mid-season to see where each team is with respect to the playoffs

Acually, your logic is not accurate. First, Liarano is at a premuim for the Twins to trade before the season becasue of his numbers last year. By waiting until the season starts they run the risk of a poor first half which would decrease his trade value. While it can also increase his value if he out performs what is expected based on 2010. However, that is not as likely as him just matching those totals so, there is more to lose by waiting to trade him. If the Twins really want to trade him, and you believe as much, then they would look to maximize their return.

Second, the Twins play in a completly different division and just becasue the Yankees and wins have met in the playoffs this would no be a reason for the Twins not to get back a prospect the want or feel is best value for Liariano. It makes no sense, none to withhold a trade becasue you might play a team in the playoffs 7 months from now. Had these two teams been in the same division then your "logic" would apply because why would you give a team your competing to win the division with an advantage this early.

Finally, you provide no insight into what the Twins are looking for in return or why YOU think this is not their first option, the article says the Twins have had their eye on prospects, and speak to the Yankees specifically. If this is not their first option, or they are better served by waiting until the mid point of the season and, it would be in their best interst not to trade with a potential playoff oppenet 7 months from now then why are the Twins looking?



Since: Dec 10, 2010
Posted on: February 27, 2011 9:14 am
 

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I doubt there will be a trade like this before the season starts and possibly all season.  It appears the Twins do want to trade Liriano before the end of 2012 and maybe the Yankees are the team to pick up the contract, but I'm sure the Twins are not looking at this as the first option.  The logic behind this opinion is the Twins have made the playoffs 6 times since 2002; the Yankees have knocked them out in the Division series 4 times.  This is a business at the end of the day, but why would you help the competetor who has knocked you out of advancing in the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 times?! They are probably looking to the NL first, rather then 'helping' a potential playoff team that they have a recent history with.  If this is the trade the Twins make (to the Yankees), I think they would rather wait until ~mid-season to see where each team is with respect to the playoffs.

 


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