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Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

Posted on: March 1, 2011 10:47 am
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Posted by Matt Snyder

The situation with the Wisconsin union workers is the hot-button political issue at present, so it only makes sense Craig Counsell of the Brewers would weigh in -- he's been an official in the MLB Players Association for years and has played five seasons for Milwaukee.

The veteran has released the following statement:

"As a Major League baseball player for the Milwaukee Brewers who works in Wisconsin under a union contract and whose right to bargain collectively is guaranteed under federal law, I support the thousands of public sector employees who are threatened with the loss of that right under recently-proposed state legislation. These employees are real people with real families whose livelihoods, careers and futures are being jeopardized. I urge the government of Wisconsin not to take away this most basic of union and human rights."

Normally I'm not too keen on athletes injecting themselves into political matters, but -- no matter which side of the debate you agree with -- this makes some sense. Of course a high-ranking official in one of the most powerful unions in the nation, one that uses its collective bargaining power so effectively, is going to weigh in here.

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Since: Nov 30, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2011 4:24 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

Wait a member of one union supports other unions???
I think the title of this article deserves an EXTRA EXTRA in front of it



Since: Jul 2, 2010
Posted on: March 1, 2011 4:20 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

Unions are for fat lazy scumbags They are 100% at fault for the demise of mfg. in USA. Maybe the POS Counsel should use some of his money help the state that will be bankrupt over the fat lazy union bassturds. Goota love how the libs ran away (thats what libs are weak kneed surrender monkies) to another state because they were no longer the majority. If GOP had done that, MSLSD, CBS, NYT and all the rest of the predominantly lib media would be screaming bloody murder. Liberal is a sickness. Bunch of milque that never once raised a fist unless it was in one of the Local chapter communist pep rallies. I hope this player suffers a nasty injury very soon.



Since: Jul 22, 2007
Posted on: March 1, 2011 4:16 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

They don't HAVE to have them BUT those in a union realize that someone has their backs and always will.
Until you've been through a union negotiation or a strike or been unjustly suspended from work and have the union back you up 100% then you don't know how great it is to be in a union.
I am not unionized at the moment but at times in my life I was, no longer though because I am no longer in that particular profession, but you just know that no matetr what they have your back and best interests in mind.

Why are Republicans afraid of unions? because they know organized workers will demand FAIR wages & compensation that's why, they would much rather have to deal with workers individually or not to at all and be able to dictate who gets paid what all so they can undercut the workers and line their pockets.

I'm no pollyanna, I know that people get into business to make money and I have no issue with a company making money but too many times they get too greedy and want more and more and more and want to pay workers less and outsource here so they can save this 5% that they can put back into their pockets, it's all greed that's all it is.

You CAN make money in this economy as a business owner, you CAN pay livabel wages and in some cases offer some benefits but too many want to just get the cheapest labor they can get, sell their product for as much as they can and pocket all the profits.

Oh yeah and BTW the workers every so many years (as dictated by the lenght of the contract) do vote whether to keep their union or not and also elect new union officers too if they didn't want to be in the union or thought the union didn't protect their interests then they wouldn't vote to recertify the union when it did come up for renewal

One last thing, if you believe that the union "extorts" money from business owners I will tell you this, union negotiators go into every new contract knowing what the market for their members services will bear, they may ask on the high side of what the market will bear but you always start high in negotiations but they don't ask well beyond what the market will bear because if the owner foolishly agreed and then within a couple of years the jobs are gone that doesn't help the membership of the union.
The whole idea is to preserve jobs maybe even add jobs all while allowing the workers to retain a livable wage and benefits and if you believe otherwise you're not being logical and are only seeing the right wing propaganda on unions.



Since: Jul 22, 2007
Posted on: March 1, 2011 4:05 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

No it is not a human right and nobody has said or even hinted that it is.
What it is is a way for a group of people who do the same job to get together and with one voice says "this is what we think is fair compensation for the wrok we do along with the benefits that others who do our job enjoy".
That's all it is, what Republicans don't like is the "collective" part because it implies strength, why do you think in Dumas classic "The three musketeers" their motto was "All for 1 and 1 for all" because when you are in numbers than you have a better chance at succeeding at the task at hand.

I find it amusing that someone who calls himself "Christian" would be against people trying to make sure they earn a decent living for them and their families, no one is asking for anything exorbitent and as a matter of fact the union already gave HUGE concessions on the salary, benefits and contributions to healthcare and retirement what they are trying to protect is that they have the right to negotiate as a group when their contract comes up again.
Republicans don't like collective bargaining because it gets fair wages for everyone, if they were able to negotiate with every worker indivually they'd get some to agree to FAR less than their worth and of course whatever hurts their profits is just not good at all who cares if a worker is able to pay his mortgage, feed his family or send his kids to school that's just "collateral damage" in the world where I  make millions of dollars off the backs of my workers!

No, it doesn't work that way! In America we give everyone the right to earn a decent living and that's exactly what these state workers do they EARN their living every day.
I find iot funny that you wouldn't have the courage to walk up to any one of these workers and tell them what youy're saying here, that they're greedy,lazy,selfish you wouldn't do that.

Oh yeah and BTW Counsell went to and graduated from Notre Dame  - a fine academic university, he also was the NLCS MVP and was a key contributer to 2 world series championships in fact he was either part of the rally or lead off the rally to win the series in the pivotal game.

So when you say "he's not worth drafting
 just keep in mind that while his career may be on the backside and he may be in decline for fantasy numbers that man has accomplished more in his lifetime than ALL of the participants in your little "Christian" fantasy league.
You may want to read a newspaper or actually do some research before you go spouting off on subjects you clearly have no knowledge of, watch some real news, stay away from Fox and for the love of pete read something more than your bible will you!



Since: May 17, 2008
Posted on: March 1, 2011 3:52 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

If unions are so great why is it that teachers, firefighters, etc HAVE to be in them.  Why not let them decide for themselves if they want to be in the union?  What are union leaders afraid of???



Since: Sep 19, 2008
Posted on: March 1, 2011 3:50 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

1.  Collective bargaining is "NOT A HUMAN RIGHT" .  JUst as all the lazy men's/women's entitlement programs are not a human right.

2.  Once this country goes down the tubes due to all the laziness and greed see it the next governement gives you your precious "Collective bargaining" "human right"......

3.  Counsell is hardly a ball player---I'm sure he needs the union to protect his job and get him more salary than he could ever get based on his true value.......hey that's true of most union workers---may as well be true of Counsell also.

4.  "Collective bargaining"------really just the another word for "Legal Extortion"......

5.  Counsell is forever barred from being drafted in our Fantasy League.........as if he was worth drafting any way.....



Since: Sep 5, 2010
Posted on: March 1, 2011 3:33 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

@Woodson's... you have a lot of opinions but no actual facts to back up these comments.  Unions "let the old guys get lazy and cocky" - seriously?  You mean there aren't any "old" guys that have better skill sets and skills than "young" guys due to their experience?  Btw, what is old?  I'm in my 30's... does that make me "old"?

As for your pronouncements regards states' debts... the ten highest states regarding their debt-to-gdp ratio as of 2010 are as follows - you use these numbers - and not total debt - as it is the best indicator as to whether they will ever be able to pay it off: 1.) RI 2.) Mass 3.) Alaska 4.) Conn 5.) Montana 6.) Vermont 7.) New Hampshire 8.) WV 9.) NJ and 10) NM. 

NJ, RI and CONN are the ONLY three in that top 10 who also rank in the top 10 for union participation.

In other words, when you get over the age of 22 you get to talk about all of your fiscal and employment policies.  Until then, please "read up" before you start rabbling about topics you either haven't experienced or simply don't understand.

Btw, the issues aren't just ONLY unions, they are also the basis of corporate executives robbing companies blind as well - and BOTH parties support either side of this nonsense.


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Since: Jul 25, 2007
Posted on: March 1, 2011 3:19 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

pretty simple. much like counsell's mind... Wis. is billions in debt. 'millions' of people in that state voted in the (republican) senators that want to pass this bill. All you see on TV are the irrational state workers screaming about "everthing". That number is a few thousand, minor compared to the state population that voted in Nov. Gov. unions need to be abolished entirely! Last time my health got raised (which is every year) I was powerless to fight it. Collective bargainig? Private unions I'm all for. Gov. unions are bringing this country to its knees.   Collective bargaining is not a Human Right U DOUCHBAG!!!





Since: Nov 5, 2007
Posted on: March 1, 2011 3:18 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

Do you know what "protective category service" is?  It looked like it was very limited, but I admit, all employees at 55 is young.

I have mixed emotions about the union here.  I like that they do a good job of protecting benefits, but our advancement is extremely limited.  Promotions are based on taking a test as opposed to the actual production done.  So the union has made the promotion process so "fair" to the point where its unfair to the people who are actually doing their job and unfair to those who just sit back and enjoy being protected by the union.




Since: Jul 30, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2011 2:52 pm
 

Brewers' Counsell supports Wisconsin unions

You get paid for what your worth.  Unions in my opinion let the old guys get lazy and cocky.  Unions are mad because they won't be able to dock paychecks for doing their usual nothing.  How many big brother unions let their people down by going belly up on their pensions.  The states are an estimated 1-3 trillion behind in funding.  Trillion!  They can use any set rate of return to decide if they are "funded".  How many you think use a 7% or 8% rate of return?  This entitlement crap has to end.  We spend more on these programs than defense.


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