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Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

Posted on: March 27, 2011 12:34 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

Remember those comments Orioles' manager Buck Showalter made about the Yankees and Red Sox? If not, click here to get up to speed. Within the next few days, Showalter said the remarks were "taken out of context" and Derek Jeter declined to provide a comment. Shocking on both fronts, I know. Sunday, Terry Francona spoke up and took umbrage with a few parts of the discussion.

"I don't think that's anybody's place. That's my boss. I was actually kind of aggravated a little bit. It's not the end of the world but I thought he shouldn't have done it," Francona said. (Boston Globe )

"I just thought that was a little bit out of line," he continued. "I don't think he'd be appreciating if I said something about Andy [MacPhail, the Baltimore GM]. which I wouldn't," Francona said. "It's none of my business. And for the record, I think Andy's really good."

As for the part about Showalter enjoying "whipping" the Red Sox's "butt," Francona noted he didn't remeber the Orioles beating the Red Sox much. When he was told the teams were 3-3 after Showalter took over the Orioles, Francona replied with, "way to go."

Thankfully, it's less than a week until real games start, so some of this petty nonsense can be put in the rearview mirror. Everyone is simply answering questions, it just seems things would be far less relevant if games that mattered were being played.

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Since: Jan 15, 2009
Posted on: April 1, 2011 3:18 pm
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

You still haven't made your case.  Were in there is the quotes about Francona or the Yankees payroll?  The only Yankee quote was for Jeter trying to draw favorable calls.  What does hat have to do with it?  What I see here in no way says anything different from what I initially said.  In fact, it furthers it and illustrates even more that the O.P.'s post was erroneous.  So, thank you.

The burden of proof in on you, for refutting my point...my friend...including your overexaggertaed notion of me being a conspiracy theorist.  What conspiracy are you referring to?  Undecided  Or are you learning by example from the OP that overblown misrepresentations in print are infectious?






Since: Apr 20, 2009
Posted on: March 31, 2011 12:36 pm
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

Just do us a favor, BronxNYY, and don't read any of the pro-nazi propoganda about jews not really being exerminated during WWII. 
Mmm'k?


Dude, are you now trying to claim that Showalter did not say what he said?

What he said is plain and clear regardless of interpretation.  Do yourself a favor and read the comments in the link.  As a matter of fact, I will copy/paste them for you since up to this point you appear to be unable to do so.  It is either that, or you have a problem with comprehension.  Either way, here are the comments as stated by Buck Showalter ...


"The first time we went to Yankee Stadium, I screamed at from the dugout," Showalter told the magazine. "Our guys are thinking, 'Wow, he's screaming at Derek Jeter.' Well, he's always jumping back from balls just off the plate. I know how many calls that team gets – and yes, he [ticks] me off."

Of the Red Sox, Showalter was even more candid.

"I'd like to see how smart Theo Epstein is with the Tampa Bay payroll," he said. "You got 'cause you paid more than anyone else, and that's what makes you smarter? That's why I like whipping their butt. It's great, knowing those guys with the $205 million payroll are saying, 'How the hell are they beating us?' "

Those are indisputed direct quotes, not misreprentations, my friend. 

Btw, I will take your suggestion and not read any pro-nazi propaganda just as soon as you relinquish your post as the Chairman of the Conspiracy Theorists and Tin Foil Hat Wearers of the World Club.





Since: Jan 15, 2009
Posted on: March 30, 2011 8:51 pm
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

You obviously believe everything you read don't you?  You're a prime example of what I was explaining to Matt Snyder what would happen for writing such misrepresentations.  So thank you for providing the teachable moment to the OP!  Hope he paying attention.

Just do us a favor, BronxNYY, and don't read any of the pro-nazi propoganda about jews not really being exerminated during WWII. 
Mmm'k?





Since: Apr 20, 2009
Posted on: March 30, 2011 10:49 am
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

He didn't criticize them.  I criticized them ...

If he didn't criticize them ... then what is the meaning of this thread, and what are we all posting about?

The dam thread starts with ... Remember those comments ' manager Buck Showalter made about the and ? If not, to get up to speed.

... and when you click that link, the title of that article reads ...

Orioles' Showalter rips Yankees, Red Sox


If that isn't criticism, what is it, Genius?

I swear, I don't even know why I am wasting my time.

Clueless.




Since: Jan 15, 2009
Posted on: March 29, 2011 10:36 pm
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

You talk like Showalter is some kind of rookie manager and needs to be defended.  Showalter has been around for awhile, he should know better.  And for him to criticize the Red Sox or the Yankees for having big pay rolls is just bush league.
Man, are you way off!  He didn't criticize them.  I criticized them and I've been a life long Yankees fan; no salary cap kills the sport.  Showalter can handle himself.  My problem was with the OP and the apparent and seeminigly intentional misrepresentation of Buck's comments to stimulate Redsox and Yankees fan interest by maligning someone else.  

I don't have to protect buck.  He's a big boy and has proven himself.  Buck said he enjoyed kicking their butts last year after going 3-3 with them both.  It is always grand when an underdog in any sport can hang with the big boys.  That was HIS point and mine.

Get your facts straight before posting, BronxNYY.  Hey Snyder!  Here's one of those followers from the big fanbase I mentioned...



Since: Mar 17, 2010
Posted on: March 29, 2011 2:02 am
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

WOW!  Did you become a "Superstar" by sharing pearls of wisdom like that ? Damn you must be from Minnesota.  How did you get a score of 65 by uttering such stupidity ?




Since: Mar 17, 2010
Posted on: March 29, 2011 1:58 am
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

WOW!  Did you become a "Superstar" by sharing pearls of wisdom like that ? Damn you must be from Minnesota.  How did you get a score of 65 by uttering such stupidity ?



Since: Apr 20, 2009
Posted on: March 28, 2011 10:58 pm
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

My issue is that there is proper context for things said.  I am a serious proponent in proper representation.  If I appear to be out of line I apologize, but Showalter's words seemed fairly innocuous to me.  It gets old when writers make issues mountains out of mole hills when there's not much else to write about.  It's an abuse of their modicum of power they're afforded.  There are more important matters to discuss anyway.   

Perhaps I was too harsh in my criticism, but now you may begin to understand where i'm coming from.  I would ask for you to be more resposible with your reporting in the future.  Because it's "in print" people tend to give articles more credence then perhaps they should.  Next thing you know you have half the Red Sox and Yankees fans calling for blood.  Of course Showalter would then have to apoplogize.


You talk like Showalter is some kind of rookie manager and needs to be defended.  Showalter has been around for awhile, he should know better.  And for him to criticize the Red Sox or the Yankees for having big pay rolls is just bush league.  Particularly since he himself has managed big payrolls in the past and when he did, he had no problem with it.  Now that he is managing the lowly Orioles, it's suddenly a big problem.

Listen, we all know what Showalter is doing.  He is hedging and using payroll as an excuse as to why his team may not do as well as the Red Sox or the Yankees.  Which is BS whining from a supposedly major league manager.  As a MLB manager, your job is to manage your team and do the best with what your ownership gives you, not complaining about other team's bottom lines. 

Bottom line, even if what is being reported is not as he meant it, he should have known that the potential was there for it to be misconstrued.  There is no denying that he said what he said, and what he said was criticize the Red Sox and the Yankees.  All that was left to do after that was either shut up and own up to it, or apologize and hope to be forgiven.  Being the smart manager that he is, he came to his senses and decided to do the latter.  But not before managing to make the season just a little bit harder for his players.

Having said that, it is what it is.  Now let's play ball!





Since: Jan 15, 2009
Posted on: March 28, 2011 9:40 pm
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

Listen, Matt.

My issue is that there is proper context for things said.  I am a serious proponent in proper representation.  If I appear to be out of line I apologize, but Showalter's words seemed fairly innocuous to me.  It gets old when writers make issues mountains out of mole hills when there's not much else to write about.  It's an abuse of their modicum of power they're afforded.  There are more important matters to discuss anyway.   

Perhaps I was too harsh in my criticism, but now you may begin to understand where i'm coming from.  I would ask for you to be more resposible with your reporting in the future.  Because it's "in print" people tend to give articles more credence then perhaps they should.  Next thing you know you have half the Red Sox and Yankees fans calling for blood.  Of course Showalter would then have to apoplogize.

Many writers have misrepresented other peoples intentions to inflate their own importance.  I hope you're not one.

As far as Buck apologizing, perhaps you could provide the source? 



Since: Apr 20, 2009
Posted on: March 28, 2011 12:00 pm
 

Francona 'aggravated' by Showalter's statements

I think Showalter is just trying to stir his team up, play the "us-against-the-world" card, and why not?  His team probably isn't going to win the division, ...


The biggest understatement ever in the history of mandkind.


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