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Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

Posted on: June 10, 2011 3:16 pm
Edited on: June 10, 2011 3:29 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

We all know the story by now. Blue Jays slugger Jose Bautista went from being an also-ran -- if that -- to the best hitter in baseball with a virtual snap of the fingers. Since he did so just south of his 30th birthday and less than a decade since baseball was forever stained by the steroid era, there are some people who just can't grasp the fact that a player can sometimes just get better without using PEDs.

There are other explanations:

- He changed his swing.

- He was finally given full-time playing time and left alone.

- Once he got hot in 2010, his confidence grew. Hitting is just as much mental as it is physical after all.

- He was just a late bloomer. Sometimes it takes players a while to come into their own.

- Davey Johnson hit 43 home runs in 1973 and otherwise never more than 18 in a season. Was he on 'roids? There are more examples like that in baseball history, too.

But none of those matter to the many fans who just can't shake the cynicism. He has to be doing steroids, you'll hear: "He can't just get good like that. It's not possible." Just like it's not possible to get rich without cheating or recruit well in college hoops without paying players. Or you can't win an election without being dirty. And on and on the list goes. Obviously there are places where that stuff happens, but it's just lame to assume it happens without any evidence of it.

Friday on Jim Bowden's SiriusXM radio show, Bautista was a guest. He said that he had been tested 15 times over the past three years and every test came back negative (Bowden via Twitter). Now, I can hear the cynicism already: "How do we know that's true? He's lying. He could be using HGH anyway, because that's untestable."

You can believe that. Then you can explain why the notorious juicers in the early 2000s were herculean (Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc.), showing noticeable increases in size, while Bautista is six feet tall and less than 200 pounds. Same as he was as a bit player for the Pirates. And he hasn't tested positive for anything.

If Bautista ever does test positive, I'll admit I was wrong and take the abuse from the "I told you so" crowd. Until then, I'd rather be perceived as naive than a narrow-minded simpleton who refuses to give credit to a player for working hard and bettering himself.

I believe Jose Bautista is clean, and I believe the evidence is on my side.

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Comments

Since: Mar 30, 2011
Posted on: June 10, 2011 7:37 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

My thing is that there is no way to know that guys back in the old era of baseball weren't taking some kind of PEDs.  there was no way of testing, and stuff was available



Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: June 10, 2011 7:32 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that Bautista uses or has ever used any type of performance enhancers. The only, and I do mean ONLY, the ONE SINGLE thing (I wont call it a piece of evidence) people will point to are his stats. An increase in production that has already been legitimately explained by a couple of factors, or variables changed or whatever you'd like to call it. Until there is some sort of proof Jose Bautista took PED's we shouldn't even need to have this discussion.




Since: Dec 28, 2006
Posted on: June 10, 2011 7:26 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

"You can believe that. Then you can explain why the notorious juicers in the early 2000s were herculean (Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc.), showing noticeable increases in size, while Bautista is six feet tall and less than 200 pounds. Same as he was as a bit player for the . And he hasn't tested positive for anything. "


Why? Because there is always something new out there...That cant be detected, doesnt have the same side effects. You're a mediocore player you hit 30 years in age and now it's time to cash in. "I only have to take PED's for one or two years and then I can cash in on the big pay day."



Since: May 14, 2008
Posted on: June 10, 2011 7:09 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

there is no proof that anybody EVER has hit a home run without the use of steroids. but I think it has likely happened



Since: Jul 26, 2007
Posted on: June 10, 2011 6:59 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

The truth of the matter is that Bautista's career took off because I finally gave up on him in Roto.  Wink  Seriously, I think the reason the media keep harping on this is because it is Known Fact that no one can be that good without playing for the Yankees or Red Sox. 



Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: June 10, 2011 6:52 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

So when Roger Maris and Babe Ruth hit 60+ home runs in a season they were on the juice because its not possible to hit home runs without steroids? 
Steroids were available if Maris wanted to use them.



Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: June 10, 2011 6:50 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

Naive" would've been a good description if Bautista was playing in 1988. This is 2011 and we know a TON more about steroids. Matt Snyder isn't naive - he's just flat-out dumb to think Bautista's clean. Anyone/everyone else is too. How much more proof do you people need? After over 10 years of juicing (probably closer to 15) and seeing mediocre talent turned into huge numbers because of steroids , you STILL don't believe guys are juicing? REALLY? Yall still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and Santa Clause, too?

This quote was priceless, too: "HGH isn't a magical formula. It can't transform a bad player into the best player in the league by itself."

Uh remember Ken Caminiti? Juan Gonzalez?? Sammy Sosa??? All 3 were MVPs yet none would've hit more than 20 homers without steroids. And, frankly, there's enough research to suggest that none actually DID hit more than 20 homers without steroids.

You talk abouttooth fairies and such yet you are the one making assumptions and what if senarios. Who believes in make belief?




Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: June 10, 2011 6:48 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

HGH isn't a magical formula. It can't transform a bad player into the best player in the league by itself.
Exactly.  If it was a magical formula I would start taking it right now.
After over 10 years of juicing (probably closer to 15) and seeing mediocre talent turned into huge numbers because of steroids , you STILL don't believe guys are juicing? REALLY?
Who cares?  Nobody seems to care that NFL or NBA uses them.  I just wish people would leave it alone.  It's a waste of time to keep droning on about it anymore.

Uh remember Ken Caminiti? Juan Gonzalez?? Sammy Sosa??? All 3 were MVPs yet none would've hit more than 20 homers without steroids. And, frankly, there's enough research to suggest that none actually DID hit more than 20 homers without steroids.
That's incredibly naive to think that none of them could hit more than 20 homers unless they were juicing.  Their stats look like they follow a normal career arc.



Since: Jul 11, 2009
Posted on: June 10, 2011 6:37 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

So when Roger Maris and Babe Ruth hit 60+ home runs in a season they were on the juice because its not possible to hit home runs without steroids? 



Since: Jul 11, 2009
Posted on: June 10, 2011 6:35 pm
 

Jose Bautista and simple-mindedness

He's been tested and came up clean. And to say a player can't 'figure it out' shows a lack of knowledge about baseball. How about looking at something OTHER than steroids as the cause? Namely Dwane Murphy, who was a first year hitting coach last year for the Jays. Out of the Jays top 8 HR hitters last year, 7 of them improved their # of ABs per home run. In fact, Bautista didn't improve the most! Wells: 6 ABs better, Bautista: 19 AB better, Lind: 2 worse, Overbay: 6 AB better, Hill: 17 AB better, Buck: 7 AB better, Encarnacion: 9 AB better, Gonzalez (including ONLY HR with the Jays): 20 AB better. Even Jose Molina hit HRs 40 ABs better last year for the Jays). So let's give credit where credit is due: Mr. Murphy


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