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On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

Posted on: August 6, 2011 12:27 pm
 
On Deck

By Evan Brunell


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PhilliesGiantsNO LOVE LOST: The Phillies and Giants seem to be sparking a rivalry, the seeds sown from San Francisco's victory in the NLCS last October en route to a World Series championship. Both teams have continued their division aspirations this year, and another wrinkle was added to the rivalry at the trade deadline when Carlos Beltran moved from the Mets to the Giants. Philadelphia had to contend with Beltran in its division and now is on a competitor vying for the world title. Then, on Friday, both teams had a benches-clearing brawl. Yeah, I'd say there's a rivalry brewing. It continues Saturday when Cole Hamels and Matt Cain oppose each other. Phillies vs. Giants, 4:10 p.m. ET

BeavanChatwoodROOKIE PITCHERS: Two rookies take the mound in the Seattle/Los Angeles tilt on Saturday, and not only are both off to solid starts, it's rather flukish. Take Blake Beavan for starters, who replaced Erik Bedard in the rotation and has made five starts. In 33 1/3 innings, he's walked six, struck out 15 and given up 31 hits. Only 25 percent of batted balls are falling for hits (league average: 29 percent) and it's not a happy accident -- batters are making hard contact off Beavan. He could still develop into a solid mid-rotation starter, but his 3.24 ERA on the year belies a 4.50 xFIP, more in line with his talent. Similarly, Angels rookie Tyler Chatwood boasts a 3.93 ERA in 20 starts -- but 60 walks and 58 strikeouts is horrendous, no matter how you slice it. His xFIP? 4.84. Only one can win Saturday. Mariners vs. Angels, 9:05 p.m. ET

PiratesSKIDDING: Both the Yankees and Phillies have won eight in a row, the best winning streak currently active. The "best" losing streak active is also at eight games and at the hands of the Pirates, who are now eight games out of first place. Their Cinderella season has now been relegated to finishing about .500. While eight games is not a death knell just yet, when you factor in that Pittsburgh had been playing over its head, it's quite a tough road for the club. Paul Maholm will attempt to snap the losing streak at home against Cory Luebke. Maholm has been the best starting pitcher all season for the Pirates, never amind the performances of Jeff Karstens or Kevin Correia. Padres vs. Pirates, 7:05 p.m. ET

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 5:12 pm
 

On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

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Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: August 7, 2011 12:35 am
 

On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

Thanks for your honesty, honestAbe. I think while you yourself may have taken in interest in the Giants, prior to last September this would be pretty rare. I don't consider watching Sports Center to be keeping up with teams. It was pretty clear to me last year that there was no interest in the Giants from Phillies fans until it became a possibility of the team making the playoffs.

You are almost right concerning the ticket sales- the visiting team is alloted a certain number and those they don't use are turned back to the home team and made available to the public on game day. At least this was true for as long as I went to Giants games at Pac Bell, when every game used to be sold out well in advance and only 200 bleacher seats reserved for game day were available, in addition to any unused by the visiting team. This isn't just a theory but rather my actual experience as a Giants fan trying to see home games that were sold out months in advance. There is just no interest in the Phillies among Giants fans or fans in SF, or maybe slightly more so than interest there in the Cubs. Even last year when the Giants were coming off a good season, the team drew the usual sellout crowds for rivals like the Padres and Dodgers, and had sections of empty seats for the Phillies, who were coming off back-to-back NL pennants.

The Phillies by winning today took a 19-18 advantage in games played between these two 2 the last 4+ years. If this were a real rivalry, Giants fans would have been rubbing Phillies fans' noses in the fact that the Giants had the Phillies' number in recent years, just as the Red Sox fans rub it in Yankees fans faces that they're winning the season series this year by a wide margin. Yet nobody seems to be aware at all of how well the Giants play the Phillies, aside from the NLCS last year. If it were the Padres or Dodgers, everybody would be talking about it. In fact, Giants fans do talk about the Padres owning the Giants this way; we talk about Arizona this way this year. These are the Giants rivals, not the Phillies.



Since: Apr 19, 2009
Posted on: August 6, 2011 7:57 pm
 

On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

This guy Burell is a clueless idiot.
One season, one NLCS, does not make a rivalry.
Oh yeah, I just remembered, Burell is the mediai and we know how much they like to make mountains into molehills.
 



Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: August 6, 2011 7:44 pm
 

On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

Spartacus007, that was just a dumb post. Phillies fans have always kept up on other teams and could tell you about Giants, A's, Angels or any other team in baseball, just like any baseball fan... How can you buy unused "Phillies" tickets? the only "Phillies" tickets there are are the ones given to players when requested. Baseball doesn't give teams tickets for their fans unless it's the playoffs. All tickets at a box office are for any paying customer. Also how can you go up, and just buy tickets to the Phillies/Giants game when you already said the games are sold out. But then again you would know how baseball tickets are sold if Indianaoplis had a baseball team, which is where you live. I have read your posts in the past and you are a insightful, passionate Giants fan...But you struck out on this one.



Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: August 6, 2011 3:37 pm
 

On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

There is about as much rivalry between these two teams as there is between the Mets and Reds. For years, when the Giants were selling out every game in the new park, the easiest ticket to get was for a Phillies-Giants game; you wouldn't even have to get a scalped ticket, you could just buy the unused Phillies tickets at the Giants box office on game day. And the current Philly fans had no idea who any of the Giants players were until last September, in spite of the Giants having a winning record against the Phillies the last few years (now 18-18 since the start of 2007). If this is what you call a rivalry, then what about the Tigers-Rangers? A's-Indians? Brewers-Dodgers?



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: August 6, 2011 3:35 pm
 

On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

LOVE LOST: The and seem to be sparking a rivalry, the seeds sown from San Francisco's victory in the NLCS last October en route to a World Series championship. Both teams have continued their division aspirations this year, and another wrinkle was added to the rivalry at the trade deadline when moved from the to the Giants. Philadelphia had to contend with Beltran in its division and now is on a competitor vying for the world title. Then, on Friday, both teams had a benches-clearing brawl. Yeah, I'd say there's a rivalry brewing. It continues Saturday when and oppose each other. Phillies vs. Giants, 4:10 p.m. ET

This is so typical of Evan Brunell. Overstating and never truly giving any facts nor analysis. He should work for TMZ.

Teams that play 6 times a year aren't real rivals. They played one playoff series. They may not even play this year if SF loses the division. The Phillies rivals are the Braves. They play 18 times and are battling for the NL East though Philly is in command. The Mets are rivals due to geography and past confrontations. This year they're really not as far as Philly is concerned.

As far as Beltran goes, seems to me since he's come aboard, they've been slipping. The Phils went out and got a younger and better player in Pence. That seems to have neutralized any so-called advantage SF picked up. Beltran plays for Beltran.

SF has great pitching and is a team that is cohesive. The Phillies have great pitching, a solid offense and a team that is cohesive. if they meet this brawl will be forgotten. Bigger things are at hand.



Since: Jul 26, 2009
Posted on: August 6, 2011 3:23 pm
 

On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

I've enjoyed every game between these two teams so far.  I hope that my Phillies van win at least today's game and take 3 out of 4 from the Giants.  After the Phillies dropped two out of three close games last week the Giants fans were all over the Phillies that the Giants are in the Phillies heads.  Now all the talk has changed to the Phillies are punks and how much they hate them. Why because they are beating the Giants like a drum right now.  The Giants did win last years NLCS, but non of the games have been like last nights or the first game in Philly last week, blowiuts!

I think the Giants clearly new that there was no way for them to come back and win last night and had to start something to try and get the Phillies off their game. I only hope that backfired and that the Phillies continue to stay hot and not stoop to the level of the Giants by retaliating  and purposly hitting SF batters.



Since: Sep 8, 2007
Posted on: August 6, 2011 2:20 pm
 

On Deck: Phillies/Giants becoming rivalry

So....two teams need a little dust up to have a true rivalry, is that it? Thus, if next season, the Tigers and the Cubs have a little on field brawl...then the Tigers and Cubs have a true rivalry. I think I've got it.


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