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Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Posted on: September 4, 2011 3:53 pm
Edited on: September 4, 2011 8:54 pm
 
Bryan Petersen
Charlie ManuelBy C. Trent Rosecrans

The Phillies finished Sunday's 5-4 loss to the Marlins in 14 innings under protest, following an instant replay review that may have cost the Phillies two runs in the sixth inning.

The protest came after umpire Joe West (who else?) used instant replay to review fans Hunter Pence double in the top of the sixth inning. After reviewing the play, Pence was called out on fan interference. Pence's ball was hit to right field, where Florida's Bryan Petersen lept to try to catch the ball, but instead a fan in a green shirt and another in a Phillies jersey and hat, leaned over the railing to try to catch the ball. The ball bounced off the fan in green's hand, just above Petersen's glove, then bounced off the outstretched hat and into the corner in right, giving Pence a double and allowing Ryan Howard to get to third.

As soon as West reviewed the play and announced Pence was out, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel argued and was ejected. In all, the delay lasted 13 minutes, with not only Manuel arguing, but also bench coach Pete Mackanin arguing it as well. Their argument was that fan interference isn't one of the approved uses of replay.

"If they wanted to see if it was for a defense play, I didn't think you could do that," Manuel told reporters (News Journal). "My understanding is that's not the rule." 

The fan clearly interfered with the ball, so ultimately it was the correct call. ESPN's Steve Berthiaume spoke with former Major League umpire Jim McKean, who told him that once the umpires decided to review whether it was a home run, the umpires could then use their judgement to rule on fan interference (Twitter).

According to the rule, the umpire can use his "sole discretion" in determining the use of replay, though Joe West told reporters the umpires were reviewing the home run (a charge Manuel denied), but that home plate umpire Chad Fairchild believed there was fan interference on the play. The second part of the matter was that the umpires ruled Pence out -- the Phillies outfielder didn't quite agree that Petersen was definitely making the catch.

"I'm going to say it's one of the best plays of the week if he makes it," Pence said (News Journal). 

Said Petersen: "I honestly don't know what happened. I thought I was going to catch the ball." (Sun-Sentinel)

The next Phillies batter after Pence, Raul Ibanez, doubled, which would have scored both Pence and Howard. Instead, after an intentional walk to load the bases, Wilson Valdez grounded into a double play to end the inning.

The Marlins then took the lead with a run in the bottom of the sixth inning with a run off of Roy Halladay.

Since the Phillies lost the game, Joe Torre will review the appeal. If Torre agrees the umpire erred, the game would be replayed from that at-bat -- but without Manuel, who was ejected. Here's a list of protested games that were later resumed, including, of course, the Pine Tar Game. No protest game has been replayed from the point of pretest since 1986 in a game between the Cardinals and Pirates.

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Comments

Since: Oct 11, 2009
Posted on: September 4, 2011 7:37 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Sweet! I'm heading over to Comcast Sportsnet! This should be fun...




Since: Jul 26, 2009
Posted on: September 4, 2011 7:33 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Second, those Philly fans who interfered with the play will be the talk of Philadelphia sports tomorrow for their idiotic actions. No doubt local sports radio will try to get them on the air to explain themselves. They are very fortunate that the Phils have a big division lead, b/c knowing the extreme passion of Philly sports fans if somehow that turned out to be a significant play those guys would need to make arrangements to move far away and quickly. As if what they did wasn't dumb enough, watching them make numerous calls to I'm assuming friends & family immediately after the incident was just hilarious - "Hey Dad did you see us on tv a few minutes ago?"..."Yeah son, I've never been more embarassed as a baseball fan and a father as I am right now!!" 



I agree with you dominoes. These idiotic douchebags could have bought a ball from the souviegner stand if they wanted one that bad.  They cost the Phils a game in the divison race which they may or may not need.  And the stupid laughing look at me I made the TV crap only infurates me even more.  A woman on Comcast Sportsnet.com is claiming that it was her son that interferred and is defending him. Surprisingly the fans are not giving it to her too bad, myself excluded.



Since: Oct 11, 2009
Posted on: September 4, 2011 7:26 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Whether the protest holds up or not, 2 things come to mind. 

First, the MLB replay policies are inane and laughable. Easily the poorest among all of the major sports. Bud Selig is a dinosaur and his feelings on replay expansion put his ignorance on full display. After this incident, I'll wager Selig puts together a committee to investigate various replay issues, and it will end up going nowhere, b/c Selig will tell them not to find anything. You want to put this on the umps, fine, but the ultimate blame falls squarely on Selig.

Second, those Philly fans who interfered with the play will be the talk of Philadelphia sports tomorrow for their idiotic actions. No doubt local sports radio will try to get them on the air to explain themselves. They are very fortunate that the Phils have a big division lead, b/c knowing the extreme passion of Philly sports fans if somehow that turned out to be a significant play those guys would need to make arrangements to move far away and quickly. As if what they did wasn't dumb enough, watching them make numerous calls to I'm assuming friends & family immediately after the incident was just hilarious - "Hey Dad did you see us on tv a few minutes ago?"..."Yeah son, I've never been more embarassed as a baseball fan and a father as I am right now!!" 




Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: September 4, 2011 7:12 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Hooti, where are you or the AP getting that Manuel was requesting a home run?  Did they have someone with a microphone standing there next to him? Of course Manuel "complained"; first he may have complained that there was no interference (okay, maybe he didn't have a good view of that), and then he complained that the umps shouldn't be using replay.  Don't jump to the conclusion that the only thing he could have been complaining about was it not being called a homer.
Otherwise, you should review my post of a few minutes ago.



Since: Oct 26, 2009
Posted on: September 4, 2011 7:11 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

WHO asked the umps to review the play to see if it was a home run? 

according to the AP areticle on the game, "Both managers complained. The Phils' Charlie Manuel wanted the play ruled a home run, and the Marlins' Jack McKeon wanted Pence called out."



Since: Dec 3, 2007
Posted on: September 4, 2011 7:05 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Phillies fans get over it, you won't blow your lead to the Braves no matter what. As a Braves fan you better just concentrate on staying healthy so it is Braves-Phillies in the NLCS. Philly fans always thinking they got ripped off. As long as you wn the division by a game I think you will be good and you will still have the best record in the league with the Braves one game back in second for the best record. Oh yea, lastly regardless of who the world champ was it is a Brave new post season!



Since: Oct 26, 2009
Posted on: September 4, 2011 7:02 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

the call on the field was a double and that play had no business being reviewed.. the game should be protested.. 

Or not.

The umps can review a double to determine if it was a home run. You see that happen occasionally - a hit is originally ruled a non-homer, the batting team argues, and the umps review it. In fact, the Phillies saw that happen in 2009 when A-Rod's homer in the World Series was called a double and then replay showed that it hit a camera in the stands. The call on the field was a double, it was reviewed, it was a homer. In today's game, had the umps reviewed and ruled it a home run, Manuel would have been thrilled. And, in this game, per the AP article, "Both managers complained. The Phils' Charlie Manuel wanted the play ruled a home run, and the Marlins' Jack McKeon wanted Pence called out." So, the umps did what both managers wanted - reviewed the play - and correctly ruled that a Phillies fan interfered and called the batter out.




Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: September 4, 2011 7:00 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Midget C 78 (6:53 p.m.), your team had better just worry about getting into the playoffs.  If they don't, it won't be "W. S. Champs" much longer.  Not looking too good, is it?



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: September 4, 2011 6:58 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Those of you who are defending the umps' actions, I have a question for you:
WHO asked the umps to review the play to see if it was a home run?  I don't think the Phillies asked for such a ruling.  And the Marlins CERTAINLY weren't asking for the double to be changed to a home run.  So, again, WHO ASKED THE UMPS TO REVIEW IT FOR A HOME RUN?  And if no one asked them to, why the heck were they doing it? 
If the rule prohibits use of video replay in this situation and you're not going to enforce it, you may as well take all the rules and throw them out the window.  Because what's the point of having them, if you can't rely on them?
Uphold the protest!




Since: Sep 6, 2008
Posted on: September 4, 2011 6:56 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

HEY I rrremember you! I was the guy that threw beer on you and told you to sit down and shut the puck up.


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