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MLB denies Phillies' protest

Posted on: September 7, 2011 5:21 pm
 
By C. Trent Rosecrans

The good news for the Phillies is they don't have another game to make up -- the bad news is the MLB denied the appeal by the team of Sunday's loss to the Marlins.

A short release by Major League Baseball had the news and little else in response to the use of instant replay to rule fan interference on an apparent Hunter Pence double. 

The Phillies main gripe was that it was not a situation covered under the rules of instant replay. With MLB upholding Joe West's crew's decision to use replay to determine what happened at the wall at Sun Life Stadium could be another step toward the expansion of replay. As someone who has called for more replay, it's tough to complain or have an issue with umpires getting a call correctly, and that's what happened on Sunday. The bottom line is the umpires got the most information they could and made the right call.

Philadelphia doesn't have an off day the rest of the season and has two doubleheaders scheduled, Sept. 15 against the Marlins and Sept. 20 against the Nationals. Any resolution of a game from Sunday's game would likely have had to be played after the end of the scheduled regular season and two days before the start of the National League playoffs begin. With a 90-48 record, the Phillies have homefield advantage wrapped up and would have no benefit from that one victory, so in the end, it's best for the Phillies they don't have to use another pitcher to finish the protested game.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 3:16 am
 

MLB denies Phillies' protest

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Since: Jan 2, 2010
Posted on: September 9, 2011 8:21 pm
 

MLB denies Phillies' protest

" As Pence put it, how could he hit a homer or ground rule double and be called out." ----

That's the point. Pence even said it "could have been" a home run. That left the door wide open for Joe West. Home runs can be reviewed.



Since: Aug 30, 2009
Posted on: September 8, 2011 1:05 am
 

MLB denies Phillies' protest

It was an away game for the Phillies.  It just so happens, in basically ever Marlins home game, the visiting team has more fans showing up to watch the game.

The umps circumvented the rules.  That's what happened and why the Phillies are justifiable protesting the game.  We don't want an expansion of instant replay.  Games are long enough and instant replay isn't 100%.  Even replay gets things wrong.




Since: May 17, 2009
Posted on: September 7, 2011 11:49 pm
 

MLB denies Phillies' protest

It is correct that the Phillies likely will have home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.  But using THAT as logic to justify denial of this Formal Protest sanctifies blatant violation of current baseball rules by "Country" Joe West, and such logic makes no sense if baseball values having rules.  Why have rules at all, if the "enforcers" of the rules (the umpires) can break the rules whenever they wish?



Since: May 17, 2009
Posted on: September 7, 2011 11:45 pm
 

MLB denies Phillies' protest

What is the point of having rules if you don`t follow them?  "Getting the call right even if you break the rules" is the same logic as "the end justifies the means" as another poster correctly said here.  Are umpires free to break the rules as they please?  That is the same as the police breaking the law.  The umpires are the "police" to enforce the RULES.  But it is illegal for real police to break the law, just as it is "illegal" under baseball rules for umpires to break the rules like Joe West did.



Since: Mar 30, 2008
Posted on: September 7, 2011 11:10 pm
 

MLB denies Phillies' protest

MLB is gutless.  The umpires screwed up, they circumvented the rule and then acted like they were right all along.  If the bottom line is "to get the call right", then is that supposed to justify MLB and the umpires decision?  It's total B.S.  If it was fan interference, as we're supposed to believe, per the statement of Joe West that the the Home Plate umpire thought it was fan interference, then where was the signal by the Home Plate umpire of a delayed "dead ball" call.  Was his hand up in the air, to signal the delay dead ball call?  I don't think the home plate umpire ever made that signal.  If so, it's never been mentioned.  And thus, if he didn't make the signal, then why were the Umpires reviewing the play.  Florida wanted the play reviewed for interference, but that is not governed by the Replay Rule.  That rule is only for whether a ball cleared the fence or not, and if not, was the ball prevented from going over the fence by the interference of the fan.  NOT whether the fielder was interferred with by a fan.  You can't assume a catch.  So why the play was reviewed was questionable to begin with.  The Philliies didn't ask for a review, they were either getting a double or a Home Run.  So the replay had to be asked for by the Marlins, but they had nothing to gain asking for a review, unless it was to convince Joe West to circumvent the replay rule to make the fan interference call.  

I have heard pundits say it doesn't matter, they got the call right.  I'm not sure the Florida RF would have caught the ball after he runs into the wall, but if MLB is so concerned with getting the call right, then use instant replay for all disputed calls, or have a Manager's Challenge, like they do in the NFL, 1 challenge per team per game, if MLB is so concerned with getting the call right.

MLB is not concerned with getting the call right.  They are more concerned in not upsetting the MLB Umpires Union.  It's as if Politics has invaded baseball, and that is just not right.



Since: Jul 27, 2011
Posted on: September 7, 2011 11:08 pm
 

MLB denies Phillies' protest

Argo, I think you hit it right on the head.  As Pence put it, how could he hit a homer or ground rule double and be called out?  How could the umps NOT rule a home run but use instant replay--which is NOT permitted for ground rule doubles?  I'm all for getting it right, but in this case, the umps erred twice: First, Pence could NOT be out, and second, instant replay could NOT be used. In the end, call a ground rule double and play out the inning.  If the Phils end up one game shy of a team record for wins, it would be hard not to wonder how this game would have turned out if called correctly.  If they win the Series, fans will care less, but just as a clearly errant called robbed Detroit of a no-hitter last year, this one could have a similar, is lesser, impact--and for no reason at all. 



Since: Jan 2, 2010
Posted on: September 7, 2011 8:59 pm
 

MLB denies Phillies' protest

I don't see this as an expansion of replay at all. The ball was close enough to the top of the fence, the defending rightfielder was airborne, and the baseball fans reaching for the ball; close enough to determine by replay whether it was a home run.
Ultimately replay indicated fan intereference.
First, what is the grounds rule for interference at that park? And if no grounds rule for such an instance, the umpires call of a double should have been the proper call. The hometown fans interfered in a game where the hometown team was in the field. 
To fix this, move the fans out of reach of the fence. 



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