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Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Posted on: October 14, 2011 10:42 am
Edited on: October 14, 2011 4:14 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

The big non-playoff story right now is easily the poaching of Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein by Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts. Pretty much every reporter with sources around the Cubs and Red Sox has gotten word that Epstein has accepted a five-year deal to take over the Cubs. The title has yet to be revealed because the deal isn't yet official. The delay is that Epstein still has a year left on his contract and the Red Sox are seeking compensation from the Cubs for letting him walk.

Cubs/Red Sox drama
The assistant general managers -- Randy Bush for the Cubs and Ben Cherington for the Red Sox -- are doing the negotiating and then reporting to ownership before anything would be made official.

And after one day of negotiating, reports from both Boston and Chicago indicate the two sides are pretty far apart.

The Cubs only want to send money to the Red Sox, while the Red Sox are insistent on receiving back a package of players. The two sides reportedly didn't give much ground Thursday, so it's at a stand-still right now (Chicago Tribune).

The Boston Globe notes the Red Sox have interest in some of the few attractive prospects from the Cubs system, like Brett Jackson, Matt Szczur, Alberto Cabrera, Jay Jackson and Trey McNutt. The Globe has also reported the Red Sox like major-league utility player Jeff Baker, but he alone wouldn't be enough. In that same entry, it is noted that the Red Sox would love the Cubs to take John Lackey and his gaudy contract, but that is very unlikely.

The Boston Herald says the Red Sox are looking for "something real" in return for Epstein.

So this might drag out for a little bit, but there was one tie that bound every report: There is no indication the deal has a chance to fall through. Eventually, Epstein is going to be headed to Chicago, with something going back to Boston in return. At least that's how things stand Friday, October 14. We'll see how it progresses.

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Comments

Since: Oct 4, 2007
Posted on: October 16, 2011 10:57 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Ben might b the headliner n the negotiations but don't b fooled it's Lucchino pullin the strings on this deal, he n Theo neva got along n he's gonna try n get as much out of the Cubs 4 Theo as he can, all indications say back here n Boston that Lucchino is the final say n Ben reports back 2 him, gonna b very interestin goin 4ward w/ this deal



Since: Aug 6, 2008
Posted on: October 16, 2011 6:43 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

       Bush has already been told he has no place in the organisation. He was told that when hendry got the boot

    If that's true, why are they letting him negotiate the deal with the Red Sox as the article indicates? That would be pretty dumb on their part. You don't let someone you've told has no future with you do your negotiating. 

Aye, and the other side is that the BOS assistant GM is doing the work, and he sure doesn't want Theo to stay.

It will be SO MUCH FUN in 2012 and beyond picking on Cubs fans, every year they make a big noise trade and bet the house on the World Series, every year it turns into a firestorm.  But in 2012, when the fire burns, it's gonna have a lot of fuel around.  Smile




Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:05 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

golffan and syeely are right, of course.  I will make one quibble: a custom has evolved in baseball (and football) that a club will often let an assistant coach or a front office exec out of his contract to make an upward move to another team--i.e., asssistant coach to manager, or assistant general manager to general manager.  However, they're not under an actual obligation to do so unless the guy's contract specifically says so (or unless the CBA says so, which I'm not sure about).  And sometimes they refuse--like if it's in the middle of the season or something.  In any event, the custom wouldn't apply to Epstein, who is proposing to make a lateral move--GM to GM. 

Now, there may still be tactical reasons why the Sox may wish to allow it, as I discussed in my previous posts.  But please, no talk about "slavery".



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 8:54 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Bush has already been told he has no place in the organisation. He was told that when hendry got the boot
If that's true, why are they letting him negotiate the deal with the Red Sox as the article indicates?  That would be pretty dumb on their part.  You don't let someone you've told has no future with you do your negotiating. 



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: October 15, 2011 8:25 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Look people: sport franchises are not the same as the rest of the world. It isn’t like being a grocery bagger and deciding to quit to work somewhere else. You don’t see baseball players deciding they don’t like playing for a team because they suck, and then quitting and joining another team. Baseball is a completely different enterprise, where teams do have the right to control you.

Theo Epstein knew this when he took the job, that he is controlled by Boston until the end of his contract, unless Boston decides to let him out. This was equally true of Ozzie Guillen, who had a year to go on his contract as manager; he couldn’t just leave and decide to manage somewhere else, he needed permission from the team to do so. This is the nature of all professional sports, and it is permitted. If you allow players. managers, etc to go wherever they want, baseball would cease to exist as a sport. And everybody involved in the game knows this.

Many businesses have non-compete clauses, where a person can't just quit and work somewhere else in the same line of work. Baseball is allowed a similar agreement. Theo can quit now and be a grocery bagger, but he can't work for another baseball team until his contract is up, or if Boston gives him permission.




Since: Jun 26, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 6:18 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Golffanatc,

This is the good ole USA my freind, just because you have a contract does not mean your boss can lock you in a dungeon and keep you! If he renigs on his contract, he would probably owe whatever is stated in his contract, and be able to go wherever he wants. Or he can talk to Boston, if both parties come to an agreement, that is another way. 



Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: October 15, 2011 5:50 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

SmokingMonkey:
Theo has a contract with Boston through next year, so he can't just decide to not complete that contract unless Boston wants to let him out of it. If he didn't want to complete the contract, he shouldn't have signed it for so long. Are you wanting all contracts to be just optional and someone can renig on it at any time they want to?



Since: Jun 24, 2010
Posted on: October 15, 2011 4:15 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

when did it become against the rules for epstien to put in his 2 weeks notice and take whatever job he wants? last time i checked, even when players/mgrs/etc sign contracts, that doesnt make them slaves. is this america or cuba?



Since: Aug 18, 2011
Posted on: October 15, 2011 2:48 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Bush has already been told he has no place in the organisation. He was told that when hendry got the boot



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: October 15, 2011 2:10 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

If this deal falls through, the Sox will let Theo stay home all next year. His days with the Sox are over, at least for now.

And I really doubt the Cubs will name an interim GM for a year and then hope to hire Theo next year. That to me is way too risky a chance to take.


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