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Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Posted on: October 14, 2011 10:42 am
Edited on: October 14, 2011 4:14 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

The big non-playoff story right now is easily the poaching of Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein by Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts. Pretty much every reporter with sources around the Cubs and Red Sox has gotten word that Epstein has accepted a five-year deal to take over the Cubs. The title has yet to be revealed because the deal isn't yet official. The delay is that Epstein still has a year left on his contract and the Red Sox are seeking compensation from the Cubs for letting him walk.

Cubs/Red Sox drama
The assistant general managers -- Randy Bush for the Cubs and Ben Cherington for the Red Sox -- are doing the negotiating and then reporting to ownership before anything would be made official.

And after one day of negotiating, reports from both Boston and Chicago indicate the two sides are pretty far apart.

The Cubs only want to send money to the Red Sox, while the Red Sox are insistent on receiving back a package of players. The two sides reportedly didn't give much ground Thursday, so it's at a stand-still right now (Chicago Tribune).

The Boston Globe notes the Red Sox have interest in some of the few attractive prospects from the Cubs system, like Brett Jackson, Matt Szczur, Alberto Cabrera, Jay Jackson and Trey McNutt. The Globe has also reported the Red Sox like major-league utility player Jeff Baker, but he alone wouldn't be enough. In that same entry, it is noted that the Red Sox would love the Cubs to take John Lackey and his gaudy contract, but that is very unlikely.

The Boston Herald says the Red Sox are looking for "something real" in return for Epstein.

So this might drag out for a little bit, but there was one tie that bound every report: There is no indication the deal has a chance to fall through. Eventually, Epstein is going to be headed to Chicago, with something going back to Boston in return. At least that's how things stand Friday, October 14. We'll see how it progresses.

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Comments

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:43 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

They want us to take Lackey? Take Zambrano off our hands, or take Soriano. Send them Soriano, a prospect and some cash, for Epstein and Lackey.

I doubt that'll happen man, but nice try.  I know what you're trying to do, you probably think there has to be a little give and take from both sides for this deal to go through, but the reality of the situation is the Bosox clearly have the upper hand in these negotiations.  If they say you take Lackey AND give up a mid level prospect or two for Theo then that's what you do.... if you want Theo that is.  The Bosox don't owe the Cubs anything.  There is still a year left on Theo's contract, a contract he put his name on and terms that he agreed to.  If he wants out, it's up to Boston if they want to let him out and for what price..... there isn't going to be much negotiating here, the Bosox hold all the cards.  They can do as they please..... if the Cubs don't like it, then forget Theo and hire somebody else.   No way in hell Boston takes Soriano's contract off the Cubs hands... why on earth would they do that?  Once again, this isn't your typical trade.  This is a case where a team is trying to hire a GM away from another team that has him under contract.... big difference.   The Bosox don't need Soriano... the Cubs obviously feel they need Theo..... who do you think wins this fight?



Since: Jan 7, 2010
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:37 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Catch212,
    Why would the Cubs want to take on a Red Sox problem? They are trying to pal Lackey with Epstein AND want a bunch of prospects that are top notch. The Red Sox showed their hand to the world, they don't want anything to do with Epstein anymore. To get cash compensation in terms of the final year of EPstein's current contract and then some, is more than fair. To add in any type of prospect is a christmas gift, wrapped up in gold wrapping delivered by Carmen Electra in her birthday suit. THey want us to take Lackey? You take Soriano. 



Since: Mar 5, 2007
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:29 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Why would the Rex Sox want to take on a problem?  This isn't some contract swap going on, this is negotiating a price for their GM.



Since: Oct 14, 2011
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:25 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

If I'm the Cubs I wait out the Red Sox, they dont want to bring back Epstein and how they can ask for anyything of value is beyond me. The deal will get done but not for a top or even mid level prospect. Anarchy in Red Sox nation you gotta love it!



Since: Oct 14, 2011
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:23 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

great call....Sawx need starting pitching, and Lackey has torched the bridge in Fenway.....if we can get them to bite on Soriano AND Zambozo, all the better.......



Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:21 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Maybe the Cubs and Redsox could trade problems- Soriano for Lackey....How about a 3 way trade ? The Reds would love to give up Dusty Baker, even if they have to pay him AND another team to take him...Dusty, is the REAL curse in the NL Central Division, an AL manager stuck in the NL, and an absolute LOCK as a scapegoat...and both teams seem to be needing one. The Reds wil be glad to throw in some of Dusty's old, rangeless and hitless utility players, too.    



Since: Jan 7, 2010
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:17 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

They want us to take Lackey? Take Zambrano off our hands, or take Soriano. Send them Soriano, a prospect and some cash, for Epstein and Lackey. We take on a pitcher who, even before going to Boston, had a history of pitching horribly at Fenway with a 2-5 record and a ERA north of 5.00. Lackey is a decent pitcher, just not at fenway or in the AL East. Remember Javier Vazquez? Went to the Yankees and was constantly shelled. Went to the Marlins and had a resurgent year. The same would hold true for Lackey. If we give enough cash (Say the final year of Epsteins contract) and a good enough prospect that is fair. We ditch soriano, and open up a little salary room since Lackey and Soriano have a 3 million difference in their salaries. Epstein will find better prospects anyway. 



Since: Jun 3, 2010
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:03 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Epstein to Chicago is very close. The only step remaining is the compensation. On that one aspect, the teams are far apart right now. It's two different things.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: October 14, 2011 11:00 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Until something is confirmed, enough with all these useless articles.  Miller writes a deal is close.  This article says its far apart.  Journalistic crap is what this all is.  It's a joke.


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