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Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Posted on: October 14, 2011 10:42 am
Edited on: October 14, 2011 4:14 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

The big non-playoff story right now is easily the poaching of Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein by Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts. Pretty much every reporter with sources around the Cubs and Red Sox has gotten word that Epstein has accepted a five-year deal to take over the Cubs. The title has yet to be revealed because the deal isn't yet official. The delay is that Epstein still has a year left on his contract and the Red Sox are seeking compensation from the Cubs for letting him walk.

Cubs/Red Sox drama
The assistant general managers -- Randy Bush for the Cubs and Ben Cherington for the Red Sox -- are doing the negotiating and then reporting to ownership before anything would be made official.

And after one day of negotiating, reports from both Boston and Chicago indicate the two sides are pretty far apart.

The Cubs only want to send money to the Red Sox, while the Red Sox are insistent on receiving back a package of players. The two sides reportedly didn't give much ground Thursday, so it's at a stand-still right now (Chicago Tribune).

The Boston Globe notes the Red Sox have interest in some of the few attractive prospects from the Cubs system, like Brett Jackson, Matt Szczur, Alberto Cabrera, Jay Jackson and Trey McNutt. The Globe has also reported the Red Sox like major-league utility player Jeff Baker, but he alone wouldn't be enough. In that same entry, it is noted that the Red Sox would love the Cubs to take John Lackey and his gaudy contract, but that is very unlikely.

The Boston Herald says the Red Sox are looking for "something real" in return for Epstein.

So this might drag out for a little bit, but there was one tie that bound every report: There is no indication the deal has a chance to fall through. Eventually, Epstein is going to be headed to Chicago, with something going back to Boston in return. At least that's how things stand Friday, October 14. We'll see how it progresses.

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Comments

Since: Feb 10, 2008
Posted on: October 15, 2011 1:41 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Pi22over7, I agree with some of what you said about thenYankee's. They did have a good year with all the injury's they had, and how can you argue with the best record in the American league. But at the same time they have a payroll that is larger than any other team so maybe in that sense they should be expected to win it all every year.



Since: Dec 26, 2006
Posted on: October 15, 2011 1:36 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Regardless of the outcome, the true winners in this are the Yankees. Francona and Epstein made this a good rivalry again and without them, the Red Sox are just a team competing with the Rays for a wild card spot. And this coming from a Tigers fan who DESPISES the Evil Empire!!!!!



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 1:13 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

It's also strange that the Cubs are letting Bush, an assistant GM, do their negotiating--considering that if the deal is consummated Bush is going to be Epstein's underling; in essence, Bush is negotiating his future boss's contract terms.  (Unless Epstein fires him, of course.)  Not too many people in the business world get a chance to do that.



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 1:07 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

The other problem is that if the Sox don't let Epstein go now, what kind of job can they expect him to do for them for the next year until his contract runs out?  Can they trust him not to serve the Cubs' best interests rather than the Sox' own?  Or are they just going to pay him his full salary for that whole time and tell him to stay home?  Also, if they do that they'll lose any leverage to prevent Epstein taking his favorite front office people with him when he does leave a year from now (assuming that their contracts expire by then), whereas now, as part of any agreement, they can prevent him from taking anyone with him.

Yes, in a sense it does seem objectionable that a guy under contract--and who usually holds his players, managers, and coaches strictly to their contracts--should be able to get out of it so easily.  But I guess if the Sox didn't want it to get to this point, they shouldn't have let him negotiate with the Cubs in the first place.



Since: Oct 2, 2011
Posted on: October 15, 2011 12:47 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

If I was in Boston's position, I would say you can have Epstein but he has to take that miserable horses-a$$ of a signing in Lakey with him and we're not paying a nickel for it either. Have Theo sit in Chicago with that giant zit on HIS payroll, not ours. Slackey was absolutley horrible last year and the year before that. Take the trash with you, brother.



Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: October 15, 2011 12:41 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

"The assistant general managers -- Randy Bush for the Cubs and Ben Cherington for the Red Sox -- are doing the negotiating and then reporting to ownership before anything would be made official." 

With these tools doing the work...no wonder they have not gotten a deal done...and yet the Red Sox want Cherington to be their next GM. I thought Cherington would be doing his bet to "trade" Epstein...does he not know that if he fails to trade Epstein...that cherington will probably be cut loose by the Red Sox.



Since: Sep 30, 2008
Posted on: October 15, 2011 12:19 pm
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

How do these clowns get their jobs, anyhow. --With that payroll, my daughter could field a contender....I should be given a shot--jus' look at my fantasy record. Stout-- 




Since: Jan 20, 2008
Posted on: October 15, 2011 11:19 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

I am a lifelong Redsox fanand for the record i dont like the Yankees but to say they choked is just wrong, The Yankees had a great year and they did it with a a ton of injuries and a bad starting pitching staff. They deserve credit for the year they had. Now for the people saying the Cubs hold the cards in this deal must not be following it. First as soon as the Cubs annouced they wanted Theo very bad and that they already have the contract set was a bad idea. Boston can sit back and keep Theo this year and possibly sign him for a few more. The Redsox have nothing to lose sitting on Epstein, But the Cubs have alot to lose considering there Fanbase is going Crazy about having Epstien coming. The other problem is the Ozzie Guillen deal, The Marlins sent prospects to Chicago for Guillen and that kinda set the Market for the Redsox. Having a GM is more critical then a manager. And Theo is a proven winner even with his BAD Deals. The Redsox have the upper hand in this deal and whoever thinks otherwise reallys needs to sit back and read into it more.



Since: Aug 8, 2009
Posted on: October 15, 2011 10:51 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

tritogo- If they put your brains in a gnats a$$ they would look like beebees in a boxcar. According to your criteria: anyone who doesn't win the World Series is a choke. The Yankees lost game 5 of a 5 game series by 1 run. They made the playoffs, won their division, had the best regular season record in the AL, second best in baseball and that's choking. I guess that's because you expect them to win the World Series and dominate baseball every year. That clears it up; you're a closet Yankee fan! That makes 2 things you need to come out of the closet for.



Since: Jun 3, 2008
Posted on: October 15, 2011 9:48 am
 

Reports: Red Sox, Cubs far away on compensation

Ummmmmmmmm......... you must be a Boston fan

What's up with the salami sub reference? Why don't you put the Jameson down and sober up. Yankees overachieved in season, tough post season. But at least we had a post season!  You win 2 WS in  89 years and act like you're the freaking kings of baseball. You are wicked smot!



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